ORE AND WOOD
And can we return ore and wood locations back to static and make LJ and Mining not just a scripter only activity.
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I'm not sure how the coding works, but maybe just even small interruptions while gathering....to potentially ~break~ a script...though I don't know how those work either...something like..after so many digs with a shovel or swings of an axe you get tired...or you need to pee lol or you're thirsty so you have to stop to take a break..have a pop-up that gives you options...are you thirsty? Then click on ~Drink Water~....something to deter the scripts...maybe I have no idea just throwing ideas around.
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Yeah we wouldn't want ore locations to be Monopolized...sincerely, Power Scroll locations.
Please make the Grizzled Mare a 5 slot mount, it's incredibly rare and deserves it. Some of us have been waiting a long time for this simple addition.
Not really, both are a resource when you get right down to it.
I don't think going back to Static is a good solution, having fixed spots got rid of the entire point of it once people had all the runes marked in their books - which I do also, and I still have the books.
I think Mining seems to be working fine, I can mine manually now, it's random, and I stand a small chance of getting higher end stuff.
My issue is mainly lumberjacking - I've done a lot of lumberjacking over the last year - and the 3 highest types of wood - I have never got. That makes either the odds, or the system a bit ridiculous. I physically cannot get hold of the higher end stuff. Maybe if I scripted it I could, not tried.
Overall - I like the system, but the odds of getting higher end materials seem infinitesimally small, and sometimes, you may actually want to use some of the higher end woods. It's so rare right now, you are scared to even use it.
Please make the Grizzled Mare a 5 slot mount, it's incredibly rare and deserves it. Some of us have been waiting a long time for this simple addition.
LOL they will probably remove valorite from ships instead of adding FW
There we got rid of the Cash sales of in game items part. And as I said........... I suspect as with other things, they don't want to upset the hard working RMT scripter community that has ZERO problem obtaining a endless supply of 60K stacks to offer for sale.
Tired of having to have less fun in game because of policies made to deter cheaters.
Setting mining and LJ aside literally everything they have done over the years to deter the scripters has had the exact opposite effect and simply caused the not scripters to stop participating and making it something no sane person would engage in without scripting. Used to be a legit miner or LJ could make a decent UO living. What we asked for back then was the scripters to be dealt with, Not the entire Mining and LJ to be broke and turning into a scripter only activity. And then things that hace ZERO to do with mining or LJ added to try to compensate for fixing what was not broken.
1. All resources need to come from their respective skill only, or primarily - ores from miners, wood from lumberjacks, etc. Gold elementals in the BT dungeon are a problem. Ore from trade ships are a problem. When it comes to ores, miners should be king. When it comes to wood, lumberjacks should be king.
2. Fire beetles are a huge problem. They destroy the logistical challenge of having to smelt ore at a forge. They need to be nerfed or their ability removed. My solution: rework the way smelting works, so that instead of losing half the ore upon failure, it smelts each unit one by one, with the chance of success being affected by the quality or location of the forge. A fire beetle could still provide smelting but at a much lower chance of success. The point is, players should need to carry their ore back to their house or to town or a mining camp or whatever to get the maximum yield.
3. The same principle of #2 ought to be applied to lumberjacks. Instead of using an axe to chop logs into boards, they should need to bring it back to some kind of wood mill to process it into boards until a similar process as mining. Both #2 and #3 would indeed result in lower overall yield for everyone, which is a good thing if we want to restore value to these resources and make them worth the time to harvest and sell.
4. Mining and lumberjacking should be automatic processes - once you start harvesting a spot your character will continue harvesting until the spot is either depleted or you stop the process. Having to hit a key for each individual harvest of a spot is incredibly monotonous and mind-numbing. It serves no purpose against scripters but only makes the activity more aggravating.
5. Runebook mining needs to be nerfed heavily - this is big cause of many woes. I'm not sure I had a good answer to that. Increased weight of ore? Increased weights for rare ores? A modifier to the ore weight that is only calculated for recall attempts? (example, an ore weights X, but when recalling, it weights X * 3 or something). Completely treat harvested resources as non-recallable objects? I'm tossing around ideas but the point is, if people cannot agree that runebook harvesting is one of the central problems, I guarantee you, mark my words, that this problem will -never- be solved; it won't matter if the resources are static or dynamic because scripters will always be able to power through and win out over sheer numbers alone. Runebook mining has got to be nerfed.
6. Resources need more use. Some ideas: fix BODs, implement some kind of resource need in cities, make repairing require resources. The point is, a lot of resources as they are now have a fairly limited use.
Just my 3 cents.
DO AWAY WITH FAIL RATE ON SMELTING. This is the only resource gathered that has a failure rate, everybody has a 100% success rate.
I tend to agree with you, however, from the perspective of rewards from other activities resources play a vital role. It's easy to "throw in some resources" as rewards for content without having to worry about powercreep, balance, rares etc etc. That being said I think in some respects it makes sense to get resources from non-harvesting activities as plundering trade routes or resources caches enhances the simulation and the immersion. I'd of much rather seen rare resources or specialty resources available from non-harvesting activities, but alas we are at the stage we are and going backwards is always tricky. That said, it may be worth a balance pass and further discussion.
I think fire beetles (the de-facto portable forge) enhanced the user experience for the better overall. While using a herd of pack animals to transport large weights of resources, or dropping/dragging may have been more realistic to the simulation, I think it presented a huge UX downfall. I do, however, like the idea of mining/lumber camps and the thought of how to implement them is something I often think about. Providing a bonus to refined resources would be a good way to promote their use.
See my response to #2
This would probably be pretty easy to implement and would go a long way to promoting the UX of resource harvesting overall.
I think you touch on a larger issue that plagues any resource gathering operation, not just as it relates to UO. Most of the time, it is inherently un-fun. We try to "fancy" it up by adding random events, rare item recovery etc. Anything to trigger the reward center in an otherwise mundane loop. That's not to say some don't enjoy the relaxation of harvesting, but for the vast majority I don't think it appeals. The solution then, from the end-user's perspective, is to automate the process. This results in some NPC driven resource gathering system (meh) or resource-scripting. We can take steps to deter the latter while not punishing those legitimately harvesting, but I think at its core the process needs to evolve to something more meaty and less mundane.
Could you elaborate, what's wrong with BODs in your opionion? The other suggestions you make and the core point of a lack of need definitely are valid as well. You still need resources to craft,. but I agree expanding their need would help to revitalize an otherwise lost profession.
Thanks again for your thoughtful feedback!
One change that I would really like to see is removing the timer from the maps and cauldrons from Vela and the BOD reward system so that they can be used over a longer period of time and/or sold to other players.
The only time that I ever farmed one resource hard was to get higher end wood to donate to the Vesper Museum. It was a crafter's version of doing the roof for a specific item. Since we can't reliably get those high end resources, and the rewards are considered low-end now, all of the museums sit near empty. But even if the rewards were upgraded, there's no way that I would take the time to farm 800,000 plain boards to donate.
One of the downsides of static locations is that while yes, you could go out and be sure to find valorite in the same spots every day, the very same people who are script-mining now can easily monopolize that resource so that by the time you get there...there is no valorite to be had. I not-so-fondly remember this being the case when I finally got enough mining to get some valorite only to find those spots monopolized by other miners who had beaten me to the vein. Yes, we could share it once the resource egg respawned, but waiting around for a respawn wasn't exactly my idea of a good time either.
Regardless, I think the core of what you are saying is you want to be able to go out and get the resources you desire without having to spend a ton of time doing something boring before you get to do whatever it is you really want to do with your resources...whether it be crafting, donating, etc, etc.