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Until they put properties on items.
If you put properties on items that enhance performance and have maximum caps, and you have competitive elements such as pvp, it stands to reason players must go for cutting edge.
I can understand players not playing in those areas, not being so bothered about gear. If you play in competitive areas, it's a must have.
I think a system like Doom may work but that require new recipes. Another way is to turn in for an even better item directly like Treasures event.
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**After reading this it sounds like I'm being a smart@$$ but it's a serious question. If it's easier to make a brand new item then we should be suggesting those type items instead of recipe type items.
@kyronix ,
Agreeing with Kevin here, I think I said it before, we are not quite understanding where you are coming from.
Give us the parameters of what is workable
You could almost just wipe all current Doom rewards, or Collection rewards, or Champ Spawn rewards, or VvV rewards, or certain sets of rewards, and just put in new ones, does that work ?
I'm understanding that slightly tweaking something existing to improve it is hard, I'm understanding that using current stuff into new crafting recipes is hard - and tbh, I often find that one confusing myself.
What is the easiest way for you guys to get improved loot into the game, considering these are Artifacts, and should feel worthwhile to players.
I did like one of the suggestions - collect X amount of say Mondain Legacy artifacts, hand them in, for something bigger? Like the old Tokuno system.
Bottom line is, I would be just happy to stay as things are now, no changes nor new items BUT, on the hope that there can be light at the end of the Tunnel for Crafting.... whereas the Developers would have the goal and intent of doing a global overhaul to Crafting as soon as they get the time to make this possible.
My suggestions, as well as others, was in the spirit of giving those older items purpose. If the "recipe" idea is actually more entangled than we thought then I have no issue with a brand new item (like the 5 SSI eps...this was a great idea).
The only thing I'd be opposed to is introducing new gear that has no use because if they are going to spend time introducing something I'd like it to be worthwhile. Example would be the black market whips; they were introduced as new items (a couple years ago when Rising Tide was running) but they aren't a viable item so why bother even creating it (Devs effort was largely wasted there to many people's opinions)?
I think everyone understands the limited resources the Devs have so majority of people simply want to ensure all effort is going into something worthwhile.
True about Doom, I was just using an example.
And re Crafting, of course I'm there for improvements to Crafting, but on the assumption that takes an entire publish, this thread was about quick wins.
I was exploring that, I understand Kyronix's response that they are not quick wins, but I don't fully understand.
Whilst I get the point that there will always be some systems left behind, we do have an extraordinary amount of content that could be updated - IF there were any quick wins there.
I would consider that a design flaw that should get corrected. It would be the same as 'winning' a scratch off lottery ticket and the reward was a ball of lint.
Even the lowest rewards should have *some* value or they shouldn't be rewards. Just remove them and drop something useful instead. You know what I mean?
I'm not asking for every encounter to have the top end rewards but the game has progressed so much with loot inflation that it has killed old systems that no one does. Are people really doing that silly Despise encounter to train up their pet and fight something with it? Despise used to be a good place for new players to train. Not sure what it is now.
My point is - fix old things with less coding than adding new things. I really think our dev time is being misspent. These new vet rewards and new art and everything takes time. Removing the Holy knights breastplate from the loot drops doesn't seem like much effort.
Fix the old to make it useful. What is old is new again.
I would love to do some old content but all anyone ever does is the roof because its the best loot with the best rewards because it was the last thing added. Somehow they found time to craft an entirely new encounter, system, 7 different rooms. Not saying the roof isn't interesting - I just don't buy 'we don't have time' because that seems like a heck of alot more time than reviewing and fixing some loot items to make old systems useful again.
The event in ice dungeon shows you that people will do an old dungeon again for HOURS on end if the rewards are worth it. The ONLY reason people went is updated rewards for effort. And the rewards weren't even that great yet on every shard you'd find 10-20 people in there working.
You also have to consider the back and forth of "tweaking" something. There's going to be opinions that are all over the place and zeroing in on any actionable feedback proves quite challenging. Mostly it ends up in players becoming frustrated that we won't deliver equipment that pushes the boundaries further than we want. Then we get accused of "not playing the game" because, obviously, if we did, we would definitely put that particular piece of equipment in. What is often lost is we have to look beyond the simple desires of the player and consider a host of other factors that are often overlooked.
@keven2002 doing so would require the magnitude of change that we saw from pre to post-AoS. A game wide audit, deletion, and refactoring of loot that would have to be applied without exception to bring everything on par. I have little expectation enough consensus could be built to make such a radical change in the elder game.
Now if we had a blank canvass like a fresh shard we could....oh wait! We will! One of the primary goals of New Legacy will allow us the blank canvass that is required to accomplish a much more balanced relationship between looted and crafted gear.
@Theo - this is a false assumption. Fixing old things, almost always, requires more effort than adding new things.
I am crossing fingers.......
I wasn't really pushing for a crafting overhaul (at least not in this thread or much anywhere recently). I've kind of thought the same thing (which you confirmed) that doing so would require massive time and massive buy in for the majority (which we can't even agree on VDay gifts so this chance is slim to none).
I was just thinking of how to leverage older items to make new ones (partly to clean up older items too), but I can see your point about things need to be updated across a few places this way so it's more work than we would think. I get it.
As I said, I'm completely fine with brand new items being made. My only hope though is that these new items (however they are delivered) are more like the rewards from the Deceit arc (very exciting and usable rewards) as opposed to from Ice (not much reason to grind more than needed to get 1 of each item).
Thanks again.
Brilliant @Kyronix - loved it, got it
Ok - give us lots of Dynamic events then please ! I'm up for them, I do enjoy them.
And yes, I do completely get your logic re New Legacy - I often cannot see any other way myself, and I completely get all the advantages it will give you.
Thanks very much for a very cool response.
Thats why you could make a potion we get from the upcoming events that adds a property to a looted or crafted weapon. Not one we have to click and use.
One potion per weapon.
Similar to Bane, A better virtue bane one, swarm, some other ones that you make up.
Thors Hammer Potion could have a chain lightning every 20 hits RNG.
One with the Glenda hit but not every time.
Make them UO lore related if you want. Lolos song could do temporary discord every # of hits RNG.
Not like meteor breath, that does way too little damage and too long between uses.
Make it only work against Mobs or Reds if you want. Not against players so the Fel community does not complain. They have splinter. And they dont like balance or change.
Allow us to make our weapons better. Most PvM weapons are crafted. We would craft many more if we could add a different property and you made many properties.
@Pawain - potionized imbuing is something we've talked about, it gets messy when you start talking about validations but it's worth more discussion I think.
In terms of the mods on equipment - i'd love something whereby you could swap one mod for another mod of equal intensity - so the piece gets no more weight - but an undesirable mod for a desired mod. Like a weapon having 80 luck is not helpful but swapping for say 30% hit lower def makes it more useful. Especially jewels - too many of these jewels spawn without SSI which is the mod everyone is after for any fighting jewel. Too often you get like SDI on a fighting piece and you want SSI instead. A modification item to remove the undesired to add a desired at the same intensity level would make alot of loot alot better and probably something people would pay for. Don't make it crazy - like 100 soverings.
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One thing that I would like to see more on the old, existing Shards, is the spawn of items as Loot on minor Monsters, particularly jewels, whereas they spawn with less properties (that is, imbuable), like 2 or 3, but with 2 maxed out and chances for a third overcapped....
Why this ?
Because, so far, killing lower Monsters is a useless and unproductive activity, usually only players who are training up skills hunt them...
If, instead, these Lower Monsters were to be able to spawn items with only a couple of properties or 3 at most BUT, with them maxed out and even one overcapped, they would be, where the properties where to match among them, great items for imbuing purposes to save up on resources...
For example, let's take a ring or bracelet.... this change, in my view, should make it possible to see as Loot on minor Monsters, more and more rings and bracelets be able to spawn with Faster Casting 1 and Faster Cast Recovery 3 (would save up 20 Essences to the imbuer...) with a chance to see one of these 2 even overcapped (i.e. FC 2 or FCR 4...) or, if not with either FC or FCR overcapped, with a 3rd property like for example Spell Damage Increase maxed out as well or with a chance to come overcapped at 18 ......
Bottom line is, rather then having always items showing up as Loot that have too many properties, often unmatched, and which cannot be imbued, make it possible for items to spawn on Lesser Monsters, thus giving to new and returning players an opportunity for good sellers, that can be imbued and which would save up in imbuing mats because with some properties on them already maxed out or, perhaps, with 1 even overcapped...
The logic being, "less" properties on the item but those few, maxed out and with a chance for one even overcapped and, maintaining the item as imbuable....
What do you think ?
Lower level monsters are always not rewarding in any game.
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@Seth - I like your idea about making a type of "artifact" cleanup idea. I think depending on the dungeon drop the ratio of points would need to reflect accordingly (might need to be on a dungeon by dungeon basis). For example, Doom drops are much harder (take longer) to get than the dungeon drops of like armor of justice etc. I think a "points system" (like cleanup points) becomes too convoluted, so I'd say keep it at 1 point per turn in but the rewards are just 5-10 points max. I'm just not sure how low hanging this would be.
@Kyronix - Possible idea for low hanging which might be more along the lines you are thinking for game balance. Currently as a Doom drop there is a chance at getting a "randomly generated “Prized” magic item that is at least a Lesser Artifact, with no additional negative properties". Could we turn that into simply a Legendary Artifact? I think we could possibly build on this too as a randomized reward drop since clean legendary artifacts can already be looted present day AND there is still some randomness to what people get (you might get a clean legendary crook or maybe that piece of bone armor that improves your suit).
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Treasure Hunters
When was the last time that someone, for example, remembers getting a Ring or Bracelet with only FC1 and FCR 3 or maybe one of this properties overcapped (FC 2 OR FCR 4) ?
Or maybe one with FC1 FCR3 and SDI 18 ?
It is way too difficult... I think that such items should be more likely to spawn on Lower level MoBs.... would be good for new players and good for all players imbuing and crafting, me thinks...
Accept the facts or don't but stop asking Devs to give attention in a place where it isn't needed just because you don't feel like figuring it out. Aka stop trolling and actually play the game.
The point of having these items to spawn, as I see it, is to permit to players to use them and save up on imbuing materials.
Yet, if the time to get these items is immensely larger as the time that one would need to just go and farm for the imbuing materials, it makes it pointless that these items "can" spawn...
They need to be able to spawn "and" do it with enough likeliness to make it a valid alternative as to merely farm for imbuing materials, me thinks....