How much later in May can we get?

KroDuK · June 3

Grimbeard said:
All they need to do is add all past rewards to black market remove cap and charge a lot

If they don't do the most easy and obvious; adding all the past heresy to every new events.. I'd really like for them to push the crafting and old content.. like X new ingredient added on X boss to craft X old heresy.. gauntlet, peerless, champion, all the good stuff... with a couple of them ingredients as rare from regular mobs to help with the Magic Finder run.. like on dragon.. WW.. Balron, Succubus, all the good stuff

PS: Stay away from High Sea.. I don't know a single person playing legit on CC...

@jha_dur I like the fact u want to help against bots.. but your "daily" solution.. is killing the sandbox dream.

Pawain · June 3

KroDuK said:

PS: Stay away from High Sea.. I don't know a single person playing legit on CC...

Explain how you can play unlegit in CC, in an unfamiliar way for you, write a post that makes sense.

Grimbeard · June 3

Pawain said:

KroDuK said:

PS: Stay away from High Sea.. I don't know a single person playing legit on CC...

Explain how you can play unlegit in CC, in an unfamiliar way for you, write a post that makes sense.

The herasy and stuff you know

KroDuK · June 3

Pawain said:

KroDuK said:
PS: Stay away from High Sea.. I don't know a single person playing legit on CC...

Explain how you can play unlegit in CC, in an unfamiliar way for you, write a post that makes sense.

I did not finish the sentence (I only cried).. to me it seems obvious, anyone around here has the tools to finish this sentence, just use critical thinking if u don't read me, I believe in you! not!.. I been around long enough; while repeating over and over some points, like; how bad High Sea was for the legit Open World action.. Even if BS would ban bots.. HS is so HUGE.. good luck finding them to report them.. It was a booster to promote the automation from the EC.. a way to help mythic to mainstream their baby client to the mass/pleb.. cuz of them automations.

Here just for you Paiwan, cuz i'm a nice guy that has compassion for your licking addiction... I don't know a single legit CC user that has something nice to say about HS.. on the contrary.. and everything I heard from those EC users is how rewarding HS already is.. (some will say no need to gather anymore.. no need to steal anymore.. no need to.. just monitor your cell phone!!)

Question yourself.. why Jha_Dur came in with the anti botting comment.. with his daily proposition right after Grim suggested to make automation on HS even more rewarding with those heresy..

Also you can play unlegit on the CC with the constellation and other third party like that..
PS: i'm a nice guy but it was the last time I feed your plate.. i'm losing my time and your brown tongue is kinda gross to me.. do better Paiwan if u expecting me to acknowledge your dumb comments.

@Grimbeard You see some things more clearly than some (like Paiwan).. but for the ideas, you ain't it bro, hard pass as always.
PS: You legit suggesting to make event less botted cuz they will be botting on HS; 365 days, 24/7... this is what u asking for.. Do you realise u just changing the location of the problem?? From a tiny event zone to a WIDE OCEAN.. u asking to give them cheaters a perfect cover!!

Like WTF.. you both must be playing at this point.. no way on earth u don't see the obvious.

Grimbeard · June 3

So you can script pirating? Or fishing? Or scalis? Or chardy?? Tell me in plain English or since I assume English is your second language one you can speak fluently exactly what you think makes high seas so popular with scripter

KroDuK · June 3

I will do better, I'll help you and summon someone that shares your interest and should agree with you @Theo

If he joins, I'll take this fight.. it should make things more even.. since I've already answer this question.. good thing u didn't quote..

Grimbeard said:

exactly what you think makes high seas so popular with scripter

PS: even in french or spanish u wouldn't understand me.. let's wait for Theo.

Cookie · June 3

Grimbeard said:

So you can script pirating? Or fishing? Or scalis? Or chardy?? Tell me in plain English or since I assume English is your second language one you can speak fluently exactly what you think makes high seas so popular with scripter

Kroduk has a point.
Very few clean players play High Seas due to the difficulty of it, it is probably suited for Enhanced, or scripting.
The top botters scripters are indeed scripting High Seas, because that is where it is quietest and no-one sees them.
this is often my point, of everyone is going after the wrong people. They see a couple in plain sight, and assume that is everyone, and see it everywhere, but actually not spotting the main guys, because the main guys are 2 steps ahead.

Mordin_Rockbiter · June 3

I can say I know and knew a few who love/loved playing High Seas in CC. BUNNY loved having me along doing beacons and pirates, getting me to take all these chest etc for turn in. Also a couple people on Siege, actually got enough plans for a couple orc ships.

High Seas does seem very underutilized, would be interesting to have invasions from the sea, maybe have to fight off a Kraken, I mean a RELEASE THE KRAKEN Kraken, tentacles draped all over your boat trying to pull you under.

A few other thoughts, whether you could only have so much weight, sink or swim forcing people to leave all their good gear stored away and fighting and surviving with little, surrounded by sharks and other sea beasties, awaiting pickup. Imagine also having to make sure you eat and drink to stay alive

Grimbeard · June 3

You think they are scripting pirating? Or fishing?? You all keep saying it but offer no details or a purpose for it

Pawain · June 3

Grimbeard said:

You think they are scripting pirating? Or fishing?? You all keep saying it but offer no details or a purpose for it

It's projection.

Lokea · June 3

Cookie said:
The top botters scripters are indeed scripting High Seas, because that is where it is quietest and no-one sees them.
this is often my point, of everyone is going after the wrong people. They see a couple in plain sight, and assume that is everyone, and see it everywhere, but actually not spotting the main guys, because the main guys are 2 steps ahead.

I would just like to chime in and say that I finally witnessed what a lot of you all have talked about, and while I didn't doubt people were doing it (it's not just UO it's pervasive across the MMO industry), I just hadn't seen it on the level that others have reported. I apologize if I disagreed with anybody about how bad it was.

Anyways, I was at an IDOC last night, after 10pm Central (US), and there were a few people there - a couple were actually players on the shard - they had titles, gear, guild affiliation, etc. that made it clear that they actively played those characters (and some I had seen around). There were a few others that had generic names, generic gear, no titles, no visible signs that they were anything other than mules for either RMTers/cross-sharders, or possibly mules for those who were there (although most locals will just use pack animals).

Note: I'm aware that the RMTers/botters/etc. closely monitor for IDOCs through automatic means, as one of them (a neighbor with a "warehouse" near my place) proudly told me about it a few weeks ago, that I needed to get on Discord, and it would keep me informed of IDOCs without me having to do anything.

Anyways, when the timer got down close to 0, another group materialized and began hammering at the perimeter barrels (which had not yet flipped to brown). And when I say materialized, I mean almost a dozen showed up at the same moment, and in unison began beating on barrels. They were all dressed similar (lot of generic robes), all clearly not regular/played characters (no titles, guild, special gear, etc.) When the barrels flipped, it was like a little swarm. Several did have items to boost their strength (I would have assumed the server checks for real strength when determining eligibility but perhaps not).

There wasn't much decent loot from the two barrels I worked on, making me think the person packed up into their bank boxes and quit, or moved to a larger house and left it), and the whole thing was over in like 30-60 seconds.

Then the dozen or so that showed up at the last second, in perfect unison, moved over to the closest perimeter barrels and began hammering away. I mean perfect unison. It was clear that either something broke with their script or the person running them screwed up.

And in the process of moving over to hammer the perimeter barrels, they dropped several valuable items, which a human player would have immediately stopped and picked up. Some were things like gift boxes. I don't know if all of it was loot from the IDOC - one item for example was a bow that could fetch 500,000 gold or more, and there was a token as well, but another was a "clean" ring that had 7 strength, 10 int, 8 dex, and FC and that was it - would have been good for a low-level mule. No antique/brittle/etc. labels. I'm guessing this ring is very valuable (still working on imbuing/item values).

Anyways, I sat there chatting with another player who said it was a botter that runs 10-15 of these accounts at IDOCs and does very well for themselves. For a few minutes, the bots continued to hammer at the perimeter barrels while we were talking.

The person who was apparently botting chimed in and told me to mind my own business and leave. They then claimed that the dozen or so generic characters were actual players who decided to stay after the loot barrels were all done and try and work on their skills/stats by hammering away at the barrels, to "get them ready for events". Now I've been back for almost four months, and I've done several IDOCs, and I make an appearance at the major banks fairly often, and I feel confident in stating that there are not a dozen players on the shard with low-level characters with generic names who are waiting around for a late-night weeknight IDOC to all hone their skills and stats on IDOC barrels, all next to each other, all moving in unison.

Plus, none of these "players" were chiming in and claiming they were humans, they just continued hammering at the barrels. And when I mentioned I had screenshots of everything, and I think I mentioned video, the person became very irritated with me.

The human player I was talking to told me that their script must have broken because normally this group shows up, clears the loot barrels and then immediately bails. He left, I went off-screen and then stealthed back, and then the dozen or so "players" all of the sudden stopped within a second of one another and then left within a second of each other. Amazing coordination for a group of a dozen or so human players who needed to hammer barrels to raise their skills/stats!

It was really sad/pathetic to see somebody so openly botting/multi-boxing/scripting/whatever without any worries of being caught, but also amusing, and yet at the same time jarring that it happens so openly even on the smaller shards.

Sorry for the manifesto, but I now understand why so many of you are so upset about these botters. I know they wreck the various economies of the various shards, I know they run the illegal clients/programs (I've seen their posts on various other sites) but I always pictured them being a lot more out-of-sight and discreet.

Next time I'm going to take full video of the whole thing (I did get screenshots of paper dolls and some video), and I'm going to bring some barrels with junk in them and do some experiments and see if I can get the bots to follow me, like some kind of pied piper. Just create a trail of barrels away from the IDOC just as the perimeter barrels flip. I'm not blocking them mind you, in fact it's the opposite - making a single-line path of barrels away from the IDOC. Probably going to announce the IDOCs in general chat as well.

Pawain · June 3

Lokea said:

Cookie said:
The top botters scripters are indeed scripting High Seas, because that is where it is quietest and no-one sees them.
this is often my point, of everyone is going after the wrong people. They see a couple in plain sight, and assume that is everyone, and see it everywhere, but actually not spotting the main guys, because the main guys are 2 steps ahead.

I would just like to chime in and say that I finally witnessed what a lot of you all have talked about, and while I didn't doubt people were doing it (it's not just UO it's pervasive across the MMO industry), I just hadn't seen it on the level that others have reported. I apologize if I disagreed with anybody about how bad it was.

Anyways, I was at an IDOC last night, after 10pm Central (US), and there were a few people there - a couple were actually players on the shard - they had titles, gear, guild affiliation, etc. that made it clear that they actively played those characters (and some I had seen around). There were a few others that had generic names, generic gear, no titles, no visible signs that they were anything other than mules for either RMTers/cross-sharders, or possibly mules for those who were there (although most locals will just use pack animals).

Note: I'm aware that the RMTers/botters/etc. closely monitor for IDOCs through automatic means, as one of them (a neighbor with a "warehouse" near my place) proudly told me about it a few weeks ago, that I needed to get on Discord, and it would keep me informed of IDOCs without me having to do anything.

Anyways, when the timer got down close to 0, another group materialized and began hammering at the perimeter barrels (which had not yet flipped to brown). And when I say materialized, I mean almost a dozen showed up at the same moment, and in unison began beating on barrels. They were all dressed similar (lot of generic robes), all clearly not regular/played characters (no titles, guild, special gear, etc.) When the barrels flipped, it was like a little swarm. Several did have items to boost their strength (I would have assumed the server checks for real strength when determining eligibility but perhaps not).

There wasn't much decent loot from the two barrels I worked on, making me think the person packed up into their bank boxes and quit, or moved to a larger house and left it), and the whole thing was over in like 30-60 seconds.

Then the dozen or so that showed up at the last second, in perfect unison, moved over to the closest perimeter barrels and began hammering away. I mean perfect unison. It was clear that either something broke with their script or the person running them screwed up.

And in the process of moving over to hammer the perimeter barrels, they dropped several valuable items, which a human player would have immediately stopped and picked up. Some were things like gift boxes. I don't know if all of it was loot from the IDOC - one item for example was a bow that could fetch 500,000 gold or more, and there was a token as well, but another was a "clean" ring that had 7 strength, 10 int, 8 dex, and FC and that was it - would have been good for a low-level mule. No antique/brittle/etc. labels. I'm guessing this ring is very valuable (still working on imbuing/item values).

Anyways, I sat there chatting with another player who said it was a botter that runs 10-15 of these accounts at IDOCs and does very well for themselves. For a few minutes, the bots continued to hammer at the perimeter barrels while we were talking.

The person who was apparently botting chimed in and told me to mind my own business and leave. They then claimed that the dozen or so generic characters were actual players who decided to stay after the loot barrels were all done and try and work on their skills/stats by hammering away at the barrels, to "get them ready for events". Now I've been back for almost four months, and I've done several IDOCs, and I make an appearance at the major banks fairly often, and I feel confident in stating that there are not a dozen players on the shard with low-level characters with generic names who are waiting around for a late-night weeknight IDOC to all hone their skills and stats on IDOC barrels, all next to each other, all moving in unison.

Plus, none of these "players" were chiming in and claiming they were humans, they just continued hammering at the barrels. And when I mentioned I had screenshots of everything, and I think I mentioned video, the person became very irritated with me.

The human player I was talking to told me that their script must have broken because normally this group shows up, clears the loot barrels and then immediately bails. He left, I went off-screen and then stealthed back, and then the dozen or so "players" all of the sudden stopped within a second of one another and then left within a second of each other. Amazing coordination for a group of a dozen or so human players who needed to hammer barrels to raise their skills/stats!

It was really sad/pathetic to see somebody so openly botting/multi-boxing/scripting/whatever without any worries of being caught, but also amusing, and yet at the same time jarring that it happens so openly even on the smaller shards.

Sorry for the manifesto, but I now understand why so many of you are so upset about these botters. I know they wreck the various economies of the various shards, I know they run the illegal clients/programs (I've seen their posts on various other sites) but I always pictured them being a lot more out-of-sight and discreet.

Next time I'm going to take full video of the whole thing (I did get screenshots of paper dolls and some video), and I'm going to bring some barrels with junk in them and do some experiments and see if I can get the bots to follow me, like some kind of pied piper. Just create a trail of barrels away from the IDOC just as the perimeter barrels flip. I'm not blocking them mind you, in fact it's the opposite - making a single-line path of barrels away from the IDOC. Probably going to announce the IDOCs in general chat as well.

Now go find some botters on High Seas. Or find another player on High Seas on LS.

username · June 3

Grimbeard said:

You think they are scripting pirating? Or fishing?? You all keep saying it but offer no details or a purpose for it

Everything in the game is botted, the seas 100% included, and that's not up for debate. Saying something isn't botted is highly naive. On Atlantic there were a group of 4 fishers recalling in 24/7 to the Moonglow garbage can. How did I know? You can see the items for a brief second before they disappear when thrown in the garbage can. I would give you more 'proof' but it's against the TOS and cannot be posted. See the first sentence.

@Mariah the OPs question has been asked and answered a long time ago. You know what time it is.

Pawain · June 3

username said:

Grimbeard said:

You think they are scripting pirating? Or fishing?? You all keep saying it but offer no details or a purpose for it

Everything in the game is botted, the seas 100% included, and that's not up for debate. Saying something isn't botted is highly naive. On Atlantic there were a group of 4 fishers recalling in 24/7 to the Moonglow garbage can. How did I know? You can see the items for a brief second before they disappear when thrown in the garbage can. I would give you more 'proof' but it's against the TOS and cannot be posted. See the first sentence.

@ Mariah the OPs question has been asked and answered a long time ago. You know what time it is.

Never fished I see, you catch a bunch of junk. Now someone is scripting if they are standing by a trashcan and throwing things away. First stop you make after SoS fishing is the trash can to dump all the junk. Or Gabby drops it all at Luna mint. The special bottles are worth decent cleanup points.

Grimbeard · June 3

Nothing from fishing holds enough value to be worth scripting

Pawain · June 3

Grimbeard said:

Nothing from fishing holds enough value to be worth scripting

What, Delicate scales are not worth millions each!

Grimbeard · June 3

Pawain said:

Grimbeard said:

Nothing from fishing holds enough value to be worth scripting

What, Delicate scales are not worth millions each!

A 120 PS only has value to a fisherman and they can get it free white nets are what 3 or 5 million

Lokea · June 4

Pawain said:
Now go find some botters on High Seas. Or find another player on High Seas on LS.

If they are willing to put that much effort into a small IDOC on a lower-population shard that generated very little in items, I have absolutely no doubt that they are doing it on the water/HS. I am working on a fisherman/treasure hunter and have been sailing, and do actually come across ships that are in the middle of nowhere and are actively sailing, but for all I know it could be somebody that set it to sail and then flipped over to a browser window.

Pawain · June 4

Grimbeard said:

Pawain said:

Grimbeard said:

Nothing from fishing holds enough value to be worth scripting

What, Delicate scales are not worth millions each!

A 120 PS only has value to a fisherman and they can get it free white nets are what 3 or 5 million

Fishmonger quest is a lot of; not much to do time, a lot of going to the next place, and a lot of organizing and clicking that can not be automated in CC.

Remember this convo in reply to someone saying bots are running the Classic Client while fishing. Not an out of this world discussion. Not about botting in other areas.

KroDuK · June 4

@Lokea

I did a similar post 3 months after I came back.. seeing many bots usually gathering (I was gathering alot) but this one was killing me.. they been at it for an entire week 24/7.. since then I've seen them very often in Ararat? (the underwater dungeon)

Look a sample of the response I got from some people: here they were farming PvP weapons.. u can see a couple sample on the ground.. one of them was leaking some.

Image: https://forum.uo.com/uploads/editor/rt/kiopm07omc00.png

This post: https://forum.uo.com/discussion/14725/boardsword-story-a-punishment-for-uo#latest

The first time I cry cuz of cheater was on my first IDOC.. I wanted the spot and test the PvP.. it was gross man.. these people would INSTANT POT.. their automation is INSTANT.. sad stuff... but nothing beat the event.. after these scrub would fail to chase me from the invaded city on their red (after ~6 days of non stop PvP.. I was even in kill and dead)
They just give up PvPing me with their automation on their reds.. to do PvP bots train.. that was disgusting. BS never did a single thing. These cheaters are free to do what ever they want.. to the point i'm like.. what is the point of trying/playing u know.. If I wanted, I could just run both my accounts 24/7 to NOT control 95% of my actions in PvP.. sad stuff.

https://forum.uo.com/discussion/14618/pvp-in-2024#latest

Pawain said:
Fishmonger quest is a lot of; not much to do time, a lot of going to the next place, and a lot of organizing and clicking that can not be automated in CC.

Remember this convo in reply to someone saying bots are running the Classic Client while fishing. Not an out of this world discussion. Not about botting in other areas.

This dude should play in the MLB in the left field.. this is insane!! He's a big liar.

Pawain · June 4

Yes, that's how the GMs investigate. They talk to the player that you are harassing and verify they are attended. Then the GMs leaves. You want them to punish attended players? I don't.

Doesn't affect you any way, you don't play UO.

KroDuK · June 4

I already asked him if he wanna see the whole footage.. 7 days, 23h30 a day of this.. non-stop!!!

It's 100% a script.. he never skip a single pixel.. always returning on the EXACT same location the entire week he been doing this 23+ hours per day.

This is 100% someone using an automated multibots program... that does not required to eat nor sleep.. while being PERFECT! This is clearly someone using a discord app to answer a GM (IF the GM wasting any second.. wich I HEAVILY DOUBT! Like I prove during the last event part 2).. like @username shared before. 1000% legalized cheating.. against TOS.

BS be like:

Image: https://forum.uo.com/uploads/editor/3g/oed9q2w6rzz1.png

Thx to the mesanna corporate culture.

The GMs have no problem asking you after u got scam cuz of a bug (do you want me to delete 100m from your inventory? no? bye!) but when it's about cheaters or bots.. *refer to the picture*

Scammer exploiting bugs (who ever transfer that replica with his 14 yrs reward, should get sanction, even if it's tiny; like 24h the first time.. cuz he knew what he was doing asking 100m for the bugged replica on his 14+yrs old account and gonna keep doing it now; exploiting a bug) & cheaters are sponsored by BS studio.

Cookie · June 4

On this topic though, I always think, step back, does it affect me, can it affect me?
Things can only affect me, if I let them.
I'm playing my game, the game is big enough for everyone.

What can any botter get, that I cannot get, what are they getting more than me, how are they beating me in any competition I am in? They cannot.
I play, I have fun with friends, botters cannot outdo me on that, they cannot bot that, simple - botters cannot bot the fun I am having, and botters cannot play my game.

I chose to hunt them, I chose to leave them alone, I may chose to join them, either way, each to their own, I accept it happens, unless it is seriously game-breaking, I don't really care so much.
If everyone is in some sort of race for gold in their UO bank accounts, I'd suggest looking at your own personal motivations.

In a world where cyber security is the latest thing, pushing the limits in a game can enhance personal growth and development, and therefore national safety. Botters have their place in society. Games teach us skills required in society. Never forget that. Games are games, they are not real, real life is real, and games teach us skills and characteristics for real life. Some of you are stuck in the game, which I understand.

Mariah · June 4

OK, are systems in game 'botted', I'm afraid the answer to that is 'yes'

Is high seas only played by 'botters'. No. Many people play that interesting content legitimately. I am one of them. So let's be a bit more realistic and less cynical?

Now, can we shift this thread back on topic please?

Lukas · June 4

@Mariah @Kyronix Since we're asked to stay on-topic: could we please get some information on when the new event will actually be available for testing? It’s getting a bit quiet.

username · June 4

Lukas said:

@ Mariah @ Kyronix Since we're asked to stay on-topic: could we please get some information on when the new event will actually be available for testing? It’s getting a bit quiet.

We've already gotten the answer. Pestering them isn't going to make it go any faster.

Grimbeard · June 4

Let's at least change login screen so it's not talking about May anymore maybe plan on updating it monthly it's one place everyone sees every time we log in

Lukas · June 4

username said:

Lukas said:

@ Mariah @ Kyronix Since we're asked to stay on-topic: could we please get some information on when the new event will actually be available for testing? It’s getting a bit quiet.

We've already gotten the answer. Pestering them isn't going to make it go any faster.

I’m not asking for the event to be rushed out—I understand things take time.
What’s frustrating is the lack of communication.
The last post from Kyronix just said there were “issues,” but there was no follow-up, no rough timeframe.
It’s been several days now, and still silence.
A small update would go a long way.

Pawain · June 4

Lukas said:

username said:

Lukas said:

@ Mariah @ Kyronix Since we're asked to stay on-topic: could we please get some information on when the new event will actually be available for testing? It’s getting a bit quiet.

We've already gotten the answer. Pestering them isn't going to make it go any faster.

I’m not asking for the event to be rushed out—I understand things take time.
What’s frustrating is the lack of communication.
The last post from Kyronix just said there were “issues,” but there was no follow-up, no rough timeframe.
It’s been several days now, and still silence.
A small update would go a long way.

He said June. It's less than 5 days old.

Do yall think they get something finished and wait?

No, things get put out when ready.

This is why they hate giving dates.

Grimbeard · June 4

Pawain said:

Lukas said:

username said:

Lukas said:

@ Mariah @ Kyronix Since we're asked to stay on-topic: could we please get some information on when the new event will actually be available for testing? It’s getting a bit quiet.

We've already gotten the answer. Pestering them isn't going to make it go any faster.

I’m not asking for the event to be rushed out—I understand things take time.
What’s frustrating is the lack of communication.
The last post from Kyronix just said there were “issues,” but there was no follow-up, no rough timeframe.
It’s been several days now, and still silence.
A small update would go a long way.

He said June. It's less than 5 days old.

Do yall think they get something finished and wait?

No, things get put out when ready.

This is why they hate giving dates.

Saying a few more days takes zero effort and maintains good customer relations

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