Pub 105 - Treasure Map Update Phase I *See new thread!*
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I'm not treating anyone like they're defective as you state. I merely don't get why people feel that if they don't want to do something like go to Fel to get something like a powerscroll, that those who would like it and are fine with the risk should be punished and not allowed to have it, which is exactly what Tarragon stated.
"I don't want to take the risk, so make it so I can do it risk free, or essentially don't let anyone be allowed to get them."
Edit: Let me also add that I, like most other people I'm sure, would love to be able to get powerscrolls risk free, but I also know they're never going to add them to Trammel. So I'll take the bone I'm thrown if it means I can avoid the more likely to be monitored champ spawns.
- There were 2 artisan chests, 1 assassin chest, 4 barbarian chests, 2 mage chests, 1 ranger chest, and 2 warrior chests.
- Every single chest came up as a gold chest.
- Character had no mining skill but GM cartography skill. When she was wearing a talisman with 21% cartography bonus, locating chests (using Davies Locker coordinates for a general location) was pretty quick. Without the talisman on, it often took 4-6 tries to find the chest.
- None of the chests contained a treasure map.
- Only one of the 12 chests contained a SoT (0.3 macing from a Barbarian chest).
- Both artisan chests had an assortment of 6 refinement components (neatly packaged in their own small crate) and 50 boards or ingots (bloodwood and verite for these two).
- Both mage chests had a reagent bag with 60 of each reagent.These were dug up in Trammel, so they were magery reagents only.
- None of the 7 barbarian, warrior, or assassin chests included essences or Mondains Legacy ingredients.
- Out of 12 chests, 7 chests (or 58% of them) had nothing in them but a bag of gems and gold.
- Two of the chests had the situation where the first chest raised part way and stopped and then I had to target the area again to raise another chest. Was able to open the second chest in each case.
- Almost none of the maps was correctly identified in the locker as to which profession package they were. The profession package info would say one thing in the locker and something else once the map was in the character's backpack. These were all maps that I transferred over to TC outside of the Davey's Locker earlier this evening, so there was no error message of any kind once I loaded them in the locker.
I realize most people probably won't worry about the stash level maps. However, since we've been given the impression they should (other than Ranger ones) include ingredients useful for crafting (or casting) and SoTs, I know I will probably do them fairly often. I am at this point disappointed that so few included anything other than gold and small gems. Do we need to do them in Fel to have a better chance to get anything but gold and gems? And I wonder what the gold amounts will be on stash chests that aren't gold. Or is it not an anomaly that all of them came up as gold chests? Is that the plan for stash chests??I will try to do some of the Supply and Cache level chests tomorrow. I'm not a very good treasure hunter, so I would struggle with anything higher and it's hard for me to catch friends online at the same time I'm on anymore to try to do the tougher maps. I'm keeping track of my results in the spreadsheet I linked to earlier (sheet 3). Would still appreciate if you could give it a look to see if what I put down for contents is correct or way off base. Thanks. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17SHMAEYnwRJ1o6e_16ov9JKue0DnHi1FzHnxOt-bI8g/edit?usp=sharing
I would have to question the true motives of someone who says not to put them in Felucca treasure chests.
Thanks.
If people cannot make that leap, however, then ok. Let those people who can deal with it get the PS, and you buy them. I can't stand to go mining, I find it horribly tedious. So I buy ingots from a player. It is the same concept.
Adding the PS to chests is a fantastic idea. The risk is very low, and it will loosen the vice-like grip that PvPers have on the PS market. It will still take time to get enough 110/115 to bind a 120, so it will not crash the market. Champion spawns will continue to give 12 scrolls at once, with a chance at 120s. This is a really good balance.
PvMers are getting a nice add, and the only ones complaining... are the PvMers.
As stated in the patch notes:
The quantity of items available is based on the level of chest, there is a chance for additional items based on party size.
The risk with the PvPer, is being attacked by other PvPers. This has... literally always been the case with Felucca. How is this any different than champ spawn raids, idoc raids, resource farming, dungeons, bosses, or literally anything else that occurs there?
If you are a T-Hunter you have no right to be upset about them being Felucca only because Powerscrolls are already Felucca Only, if you don't want to go to Felucca fine you have literally lost nothing! Saying Felucca chest shouldn't have power scrolls because you don't go to Felucca is like saying people shouldn't drink Milk because you're lactose intolerant there is literally no logical connection. Nothing has changed for you stop complaining about someone else getting something it's like listening to a child complain that they can't have the other kids candy.
Besides a treasure maps location is RANDOMLY spawned now (And has been for years, any T-hunter knows this), there is no way for a Red or anyone else to predict these locations and camp them, That makes this a relatively safer alternative to getting a power scroll. I would like to point out that the majority of shards are severely underpopulated a fact that some people stupidly call "A feature" when it is a relic of a dwindling population of players, I have run through felucca several times Mining and treasure hunting and never seen a single red, and I play Catskills which is arguably one of the more moderately populated shards.
My argument becomes this if you are complaining about Powerscrolls in treasure chests in any manner you are most likely a PvPer who is part of one of the shard wide guilds that try to control power scroll distribution and sale masquerading as a trammie T-Hunter, or you have Impaired Logic on par with a toddler. The only people who stand to have anything to gain from the Complaint "If I can't get them in Trammel, people shouldn't be able to get them in Felucca" are those monopolizing the Champ Spawns.
Broadsword will never put Powerscrolls in Trammel, and they shouldn't Something in this freaking game needs to be risk-reward and making up to 115's available in T-maps is actually a decent way to help circumvent the massive monopolization of the PK guilds that hold shards hostage. Even as those who claim to avoid Fel and think Fel chests shouldn't have scrolls stand to gain from the lower prices, But I sincerely doubt these people are actually as Averse to PvP as they claim because if they were they wouldn't even bother to weigh in because IT LITERALLY WOULDN'T AFFECT NEGATIVELY THEM AT ALL.
"Non-consensual PvP was a mistake
Naturally, PvP came up during the panels and the Q&A afterward. As painful as it may sound, one thing all the developers agreed on was that non-consensual PvP was a mistake."Thats what I am running atm after dropping mining and eval to fit in detect and remove trap , easy on the lvl 4's bit rickier on lvl 5's and the frost dragons, 2 or 3 mystics all using RC's eat all guardians
Commands are easier than soulstones anyway. *grins*
that does look pretty cool
Hourglass
Though I believe that Detect Hidden should not be needed for Remove Trap as having a T-Hunting character able to actually pvm is hard enough right now with 300 points being allocated to the activity. I understand that Broadsword is removing Mining from the needed skills but replacing it with remove trap as it stands right now makes it worse because that's now 350 skill points minimum needed, My T-Hunter is also my tamer and is currently a mess as is.
My Current Template (Ideally they are not fully trained):
Taming: 120
Lore:120
Vet: 100
LP:100
Cartography:100
Mining: 100
Magery: 100
They also have med but that is going down and magery is supplemented by jewelry, with this change I will need to swap out mining for remove trap, and hopefully NOT Detect Hidden.
I would urge that urgency be placed on figuring out the best way to make Remove Trap an accessible skill as grinding it is objectively the biggest Nightmare in the game considering you need to find trapped chest to try to gain on and you aren't guaranteed any sort of gain as Remove trap I believe is so low on the possible gain calculation.
Some have suggested just combining all the Thief skills together, so snooping, stealing, lp, and remove trap would just fall under one skill essentially "Thievery". I doubt that's a good solution but all of those skills are so niche it's ridiculous at this point in the game's development.
I am testing the Town Cryer quest, and I have noticed that these maps have a different title. The folks that are copying over chars and have unreadable maps in their Davie Lockers - is it possible it was those maps? You can delete the quest an redo it over an over (after a timer) for maps, so maybe people did that and then the conversion didn't account for that type. Also, the quest is broken:
I completed the map the quest giver handed me, and got the next map in the chain. However, the quest will not update after completing that one. I suspect the quest is still looking for the Expert map that no longer exists. Or maybe this supply one is actually being seen as an adept? In any case, just a heads up for ya, Devs.
EDIT: Ok, the normal text for the quest map says hoard on production shard. This should probably be changed.
EDIT again: When I came back from checking production, there were new maps in my pack. I must have gotten hit with the EC pack bug. Anyway, every time I do a quest map, a new map pops into my pack with random package but always supply. I did quite a few before I gave up, it seems to be stuck.
Do I do other stuff in fel? Yes all the time
Do I get pk'd in fel? Nope, I just use a bit of discretion about where I go and when I go there.
Do I expect to get pk'd as a result of this change? Nope, see the answer above.
Sorry, but all this talk of not going to fel because you'll get pk'd, in my opinion, is just needless panic. Don't do maps in high traffic areas at peak times and you'll be fine, honestly.