High Seas Update: Treasure Chests & MIB Treasures
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They killed the pardons with the VvV pardon. Used to sell like crazy, but not anymore
Murderers who would typically have 1k counts eat a pardon to go blue to get city buff, then continue murdering and eat normal pardons. There’s no way someone will eat a 16 mill royal forged pardon for say 10 counts..
They don’t sell for so much anymore just because fell is now generally fairly dead, complex issues such as shard shields destroying powerscroll market, (each month more and more accounts get them) instadress on both clients ruining pvp.
How about adding treasure maps to the Valley of Eodon and the lost lands (t2a) in Tram and Fel?
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Not everyone likes playing in groups all the time. I have always been a solo t-hunter. It's one of my most favorite things to do in game.
I'm definitely not a fan of this idea!
I'm ok with the grubber, he makes things interesting. But just destroying loot without a reasonable way to avoid the destruction is just mean.
I can already tell, the loot is gonna get bumped, but the overall experience is gonna end up a disaster. I'm already sorry I was part of the clamor for better...
I find it somewhat sad, that no matter what shard im visiting, even atlantic, it isnt uncommon to see general chat pleading for people to come for a focus....for 10-15 mins sometimes. And yet people think we can put together a group with all the old semi-dead skills to do a tmap. *shakes head*
If adding more skills and grind is what is involved, just leave em alone
Didn't intend for a complete system overhaul, just wanted a bump to the loot enough to get something usable out of it.
But I must say, letting Carto determine dig radius makes sense- then we can put mining back on with the smith/tinker where it makes more sense
I don't want anything changed for the existing T-Hunter process, I just think those that invest in the extra "treasure chest" skills should be suitably rewarded.
Treasure hunting is my favorite pastime and I do it solo. I've done thousands of maps. Not sure what I'd do if I lost that ability.
This is both a solo and group activity, so there should be a balance between difficulty/loot of running it solo VS running higher levels as a group. Treasure chests from levels 1 - 6 should be something that can be done solo. Anything higher could involve a group, but the rewards would need to reflect the increase in difficulty and the necessity of needing additional players.
I liked the idea of using the cartography skill to determine the radius you can dig for the chest instead of mining. This gives an additional bonus to the skill outside of needing it for digging up maps. 1 additional tile for every 20/25 skill points for example.
I also liked the idea of bringing the thief into play as a different way to treasure hunt:
- a treasure hunter would find a chest, kill the guardians and claim their loot as a reward. Templates would revolve around using cartography on maps and skills for killing the guardians in order to claim the chest goods as the reward.
- a thief would attempt to steal/disarm the chest without setting off any traps or disturbing the chest guardians. Templates would revolve around detecting hidden/tracking, remove trap/lockpicking, and stealing goods from the chests. Something similar to how the hidden chests were done for the Khaldun Halloween event, but with more risk and reward. Clues to where pirates hid their chests could be obtained by eavesdropping pirates or other rogues in pubs or ships while the player is hidden/stealthed or using tracking.
My wish list for classic client would be to have the grid system for looting the chest, similar to how this is done in the enhanced client. Right now, enhanced client has the advantage over classic because you don't need to drag stuff in the chest in order to see what's under it.
Loot wise, treasure chests in general need consumables and other items that are unique to treasure hunting that will provide incentive to keep doing them. Some ideas:
Standard Loot:
- Reagents from all spell classes
- Stacks of normal gemstones
- Stacks of imbuing ingredients from all pools (not just essences)
- Scrolls from all systems (including spellweaving)
- Magical weapons/armor, intensity and chance related to level of chest and player luck. Should be a guaranteed legendary for higher maps
Uncommon Loot:
- Keep all the existing uncommon loot (mibs, treasure maps, alacrity scrolls, etc)
- Chance at a scroll of transcendence. Higher skill points for Felucca maps. Chest level and luck would affect drop rate
- Talismans with new protection/killer attributes that are not currently available. Talismans with unique activated bonuses.
- Peerless reagents. Mostly the 6 types but with a chance of getting peerless specific drops such as dread horn mane or grizzled bones.
- Pieces of armor sets, including some new ones
- Recipes. Rare chance to get gauntlet/Eodon recipes (or have Eodon recipes have a chance of appearing in treasure chests found in Eodon).
- Chance at an artifact from other systems (gauntlet, despise, covetous, etc) or guaranteed drop for higher level chests (if these require a group to complete). This would mostly depend on how rare it would be to find a high level map as well as the difficulty involved with completing the chests.
- Scrolls or special recipes that would allow you to upgrade artifacts into a higher tier as somebody else suggested (similar to how gauntlet artifacts have an upgrade recipe to turn midnight bracers into cuffs of the archmage). This would help breathe new life into older artifacts, such as the wildfire bow or windsong bow.
- Provided it will not cause backlash in the community, chests (as well as MIBS) could carry a rare chance of receiving unique rubble. The chance would increase based on the difficulty of the chest and player luck.
- In a similar concept to the cavern of the discarded, some trashed items could end up in the treasure chests. Sometimes junk, sometimes treasure depending on the usefulness to the individual.
- Tasty treats, irresistible tasty treats, vial of armor essence. These should also stack
- Other useful consumables, such as the ones obtained via monster stealing
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So rare in fact that getting one would be in line with a slims shadow veil or a blaze cu.
Of course the artwork would have to be so impressive that it would be highly valued not just for the rarity, but also for it's appeal and aesthetics when displayed.
Coffins are cool but the spawn rate was way too frequent.
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Can you add a new refinement that allows us to overcap our Hit Chance Increase?
This would go a long way in balancing the PvP woes that dexxers are facing.
Current situations involves warrior type templates capped at 45 HCI that are trying to compete with mage type templates with overcapped DCI of up to 70.
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Couple of things I'd like to mention as we continue the conversation, also disclaimer that none of this is set in stone so if things change down the line - take nothing I say here as firm!
From a user experience point of view, it's clear there is a discrepancy between doing T-maps in the CC vs the EC. Trying to provide some balance for CC users is something we would have to further investigate to find what solutions we can offer within the context of that client.
The "blocking the chest" issue is certainly annoying, and something I had a chance to try and dig into when we did the Elemental Titan arc - cleaning up the chest digging process is high on the list.
As for skills - I'm not keen to start consolidating skills or forcing redevelopment of T-Hunter templates. Using telekinesis to set of traps has been something that's been done forever - changing that in favor of forcing remove trap isn't likely going to be met with open arms. That being said providing some extra reward for investing in that skill is more along the lines of how we could address telekinesis. Someone mentioned secret compartments with special rewards that would get "destroyed" by telekinetic powers - that could work. I'm not a fan of allowing mages to unlock higher level chests. Allowing lock picks to craft a lock pick set to allow others to though? That would be a better solution I think.
Someone mentioned swapping mining out in favor of cartography for finding the chest - would have to investigate but it's an interesting idea.
I think we have a situation where some folks like to do treasure maps solo, while others enjoy doing them as a group. The goal is to preserve this. It was mentioned here that treasure maps 1-6 should be solo activities while 7+ should be group activities. I agree with the premise, but that leads me to my next point...
We have too many levels of treasure maps with not enough ability to vary what's inside between each level - sure we can bump intensity and add specialty items, but ultimately we are pretty hamstrung. I think a situation where we have 5 overall levels of maps would streamline things a bit. Say 1-3 are solo activities, with 4 and 5 lending themselves to more of a group activity. Where the current lineup of maps would fall into this new scheme remains TBD, but it illustrates a broader point. Part of this is having Dread Pirates drop a more flavorful map experience that I teased in my first post. Looking forward to hearing feedback here.
As far as what's in the chests - it's pretty clear there is a preference for quality over quantity. One way we could accomplish removing some of the clutter is keeping some of the resource based loot to the lower level chests while preserving the item/equipment based loot for higher level. This keeps incentive on the lower end maps while keeping the higher end maps free of excess clutter. This way you could then decide what type of loot you want and do the map accordingly. This would of course require a balance pass for which creatures drop maps, which has been asked for as well.
As far as T-Map loot (and SoS loot as well) for items - this is complicated. Deco, recipes, resources, gold, gems etc - that's easy. For equipment and artifacts it's another story. We are in a really tough spot when it comes to artifacts, whether they be randomly generated or pre-made. We constantly run into a situation where the majority of the player base is incredibly well equipped. This leads to encounters having to balance for the increase player power. Rinse and repeat, and we get the debilitating power creep we have today. When it comes to artifacts, unless something has 100% mana leech, a swing speed that can drop down to 1.25 with maxed stamina, and AI it's pretty much "crap". The same premise applies to a handful of desirable properties for most all templates. Of course this is a multi-faceted problem that is the result of nearly two decades worth of itemization, but it's arguably the biggest hurdle with keeping player engagement high. We aren't keen to open the flood gates and start loading treasure chests with clean legendaries but we also recognize that opening a chest to "crap" isn't fun either.
This is part of a much larger conversation on how to rebalance crafted items vs randomly generated loot vs pre-made artifacts - but in this context it is relevant so I wanted to bring it up.
So at this point - what does that mean for equipment in T-Maps & MiBs? Well at this point we aren't trying to do a complete redesign of the entire itemization, so don't expect anything too groundbreaking. We should, however, at least be able to sweeten the chest.
As for SoS chests - adding more deco to the pre-fish is an easy thing to do. I've got over 100 SCUBA dives on shipwrecks IRL, so I'm sitting on a laundry list of stuff to fish up from the deep. As for the stuff in the chest, I don't think SoS chests compare really to T-maps in terms of the difficulty of the encounter. Beyond the acquisition of the MIB itself, getting the chest is pretty easy. In order to bump the loot in the SoS chest to be on par with treasure chests the encounters would have to bump to compensate - something I don't think many fishers (including myself) are keen on. Will have to think about some novel ways to make naval treasure more interesting.
I think that's it for now - look forward to your comments!
I like fewer map levels.
The thing that would fix the difference between CC and EC for T Maps is Davey Jones Locker. If the Coords given would be within 4 tiles of the chest the CC would be just fine.
The SoS Coords work every time for me in CC when I use the locker.
I also would like Carto to replace Mining in T Hunting.
Dont forget to keep the pets spawning. Can you change Dragon Wolfs to get all the magics?
More quality in chests sounds great.
Looking forward to a modification to crafted items.
Sweeter Chests sound good to me!
Good Luck on getting your deco ideas into the game! We could find something that fell from the sky.That would fit our EM Lore on LS.
I'm not sure about replacing Mining with Cartography. Maybe a better way would be you need Carto to read map even after deciphering it? Or reducing the range for Mining and making it up with Carto. so 100 of both would match what you get with 100 mining?
If we only had to think about EC I would say 100 Cartography should give you the mark on you map like the SOSs do now but I gather that won't work on CC.
As for the loot I think the weapon/armor power level doesn't need to be changed but I would like to see the number of items reduced. Maybe drop the number of items and rase the bottom end of the RNG range?
Adding rare items, ingredients, and recipes sound great as long as they are rare. A 1 in 10,000 chance of a power scroll or a Hawkwind's Robe would add a lot of spice to the hunt without upsetting anyone unduly. On the other hand I don't think any loot of this type should be guaranteed no mater what level the map is.
I don't think you should be thinking about this level map is for solo that for groups. Just make the next level a reasonable amount harder than the last. Leave it to the players to decide what they can do by them selves and what they need help with. Unless you're thinking of preventing the digger from leaving the aria (maybe something to think about) he/she will just pop home switch to a full combat character and come back. So to grantee they need a group you would need a real big jump from a solo map to the group maps. The present system works even on low population shards. A level 7 can be done even if you are the only person on the shard. It's not some thing to be considered lightly but you can chose to try.
As others have said thanks for listening
Liked the idea of rebalancing map levels into a small set. 1-5 definitely sounds better than 1-8.
As far as loot, I know not everyone agrees, but I think the premise of some items really only being available in certain places is still ok for Ultima. I don't think T-maps need to have the best armor or weapon drops in the game. I think the highest level maps should have a chance at dropping comparable loot to some of the highest level encounters IF the guardians difficulty warrants it. IMO, killing a few frost dragons does not. I would like to see a level of map where the guardians DO warrant that kind of loot in the chest. That said... I would like to see a small chance at something unique and desirable for T-map loot. My idea was for a small chance (like maybe the rarity of a white Cu) to spawn one of the legacy tamable creatures from UOs past. A bane dragon, a dreadmare, a silver steed, etc. Just an idea, but I think it illustrates the idea that it is does not have to be armor but would perhaps be more valuable in todays UO economy than a alacrity scroll or a forged pardon.
While I know there is some focus right now on High Seas content, please do not limit the availability of the new highest level map (perhaps what you refer to as a Dread Pirate Map) to just high seas content. Sure it can be added there, but please consider adding them to other high level content as well... perhaps a way to make the somewhat lackluster ML Peerless bosses interesting again would be if they had a chance to drop them. Same for the two boss encounters in Eodon, Doom in Malas, Slasher/Medussa/Stygian in the Abyss...
Lastly, I realize that a lot of content in UO is or can be done solo. That's fine. People are soloing the roof with multiple accounts. I am fine with it. Please make the highest level maps hard enough that a group could do them and have fun. Multiple peerless level guardians would be appropriate I think. Some players will still likely run multiple accounts and solo the maps. But others will gather a group to do them. I remember the days when a level 5 map was a guild activity. It would be nice for there to be an option for a group of players to do maps together and it not be a waste of time. To that end, and to revisit point number 1, please consider a way for there to be instanced loot for a group in T-hunts.
Did I miss anything ? Are there Treasure Maps of Level 8 currently available ?
I thought that Level 7 was currently the highest level T-Map...
" I don't think T-maps need to have the best armor or weapon drops in the game."
I think differently....
Let's look at it, what are "actually" Treasure Maps or MIBs/SoSes ?
They are, to my viewing, treasure troves that someone, in the past, hid in some location with their goodies, rares, niceties and drew a Map to find it back....
So, what the player is digging or fishing up is the treasure of someone else and this means that, according to the wealth and belongings of that someone else who hid it (or lost it at sea), the chest can very well contain the best armor or weapons that drop in the game.....
I mean, why would someone hide "junk" ? A Treasure, usually, is made out of "good" stuff, VERY good and valuable stuff not really of useless stuff..... right ?