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Why Can't Rogues w/o Ninjitsu Use Smoke Bombs?

LilyGraceLilyGrace Posts: 1,049
edited June 18 in General Discussions
I don't know if others have made this argument or not, but why can't a rogues without Ninjitsu use the smoke bombs? I'm not saying take something away from those using Ninjitsu, but why can't a more traditional Rogue class use them too? Seems fitting. 

Edit: Just to flesh that out a little more. How about you need 100 hiding and 120 (with gear) stealth and you can use them?

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  • NamelessJourneyNamelessJourney Posts: 166
    edited June 19
    Them hot dern ninjas , messing everything up for everybody, i tell you hwat!

     But yeah, I am not a ninja , and I would like to see this also.
  • LilyGraceLilyGrace Posts: 1,049
    I keep wanting to build a ninja. I know 0 about running one, but I need more hours in the day. That said, doesn’t seem unreasonable for both character types to be able to use them. 
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,998
    Can I use ninja skills to steal ?
  • LilyGraceLilyGrace Posts: 1,049
    You’re silly. 
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,998
    LilyGrace said:
    You’re silly. 
    Rouges don't vanish in puffs of smoke 
  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,967
    I do and leave a Grey Robe.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,998
    Pawain said:
    I do and leave a Grey Robe.
     :D 
  • LilyGraceLilyGrace Posts: 1,049
    Grimbeard said:
    LilyGrace said:
    You’re silly. 
    Rouges don't vanish in puffs of smoke 
    I wish you’d disappear in a puff of smoke. 

    So, smoke bombs found in almost every spawn chest from these events are for rogues to bring to ninjas? 

    You just like to argue for the sake of arguing and get under people’s skin. You often mistake your opinions as facts. 

    It doesn’t take a big stretch of the imagination to think a rogue might carry smoke bombs in order to make it easier to disappear into the shadows and stealth away. 

    How is using the smoke bombs FOUND IN THESE CHESTS, that rogues are picking open and stealing from, more far fetched than using the invis potions found in the chests? Rogues aren’t alchemists. How is it more far fetched to use the smoke bombs FOUND IN THE CHESTS more far fetched than casting invisibility spell? 



  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,998
    LilyGrace said:
    Grimbeard said:
    LilyGrace said:
    You’re silly. 
    Rouges don't vanish in puffs of smoke 
    I wish you’d disappear in a puff of smoke. 

    So, smoke bombs found in almost every spawn chest from these events are for rogues to bring to ninjas? 

    You just like to argue for the sake of arguing and get under people’s skin. You often mistake your opinions as facts. 

    It doesn’t take a big stretch of the imagination to think a rogue might carry smoke bombs in order to make it easier to disappear into the shadows and stealth away. 

    How is using the smoke bombs FOUND IN THESE CHESTS, that rogues are picking open and stealing from, more far fetched than using the invis potions found in the chests? Rogues aren’t alchemists. How is it more far fetched to use the smoke bombs FOUND IN THE CHESTS more far fetched than casting invisibility spell? 



    Stealing stealing and ninja all the easiest to add free skill adapt 
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,998
    assassin armor and burglars bandana both cheap and available. not even adding in the new earrings etc

  • LilyGraceLilyGrace Posts: 1,049
    Grimbeard said:



    Stealing stealing and ninja all the easiest to add free skill adapt 
    I’m sorry, could you, along with completely ignoring and sidestepping the valid questions I asked, use complete sentences and punctuation so I can try to make sense of your bs? You don’t want to dialogue. You want to needle and be right even when you’re wrong. Bye McDingle 
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,998
    LilyGrace said:
    Grimbeard said:



    Stealing stealing and ninja all the easiest to add free skill adapt 
    I’m sorry, could you, along with completely ignoring and sidestepping the valid questions I asked, use complete sentences and punctuation so I can try to make sense of your bs? You don’t want to dialogue. You want to needle and be right even when you’re wrong. Bye McDingle 
    Let me make it simple if you want to use smoke bombs add ninja this is working as intended 
  • LilyGraceLilyGrace Posts: 1,049
    Weak
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,998
    LilyGrace said:
    Weak
    True
  • LilyGraceLilyGrace Posts: 1,049
    Don't strain your brain, Grimbeard. This information isn't for you. Clearly, if you're unable to answer a few sensible questions regarding rogue loot in these chests, and instead have to completely ignore the questions, you can't be expected to present a cogent argument.

    For the powers that be. Smoke bombs are pretty standard fare for rogue class role-play and always have been as far as I know. I'm not saying making this happen for rogues is high on a priority list. I am saying the use of them fits well with a rogue class, and maybe down the road rogues can use what's in the chests they're cracking open at these events.


  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,998
    And I should be able to use the specials on a yumi without bushido?
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,998
    LilyGrace said:
    Don't strain your brain, Grimbeard. This information isn't for you. Clearly, if you're unable to answer a few sensible questions regarding rogue loot in these chests, and instead have to completely ignore the questions, you can't be expected to present a cogent argument.

    For the powers that be. Smoke bombs are pretty standard fare for rogue class role-play and always have been as far as I know. I'm not saying making this happen for rogues is high on a priority list. I am saying the use of them fits well with a rogue class, and maybe down the road rogues can use what's in the chests they're cracking open at these events.


    After reading I've determined you want to be a tinker beggerman thief?  Why not let you poison weapons without poisoning as well? 
  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,967
    edited 4:40AM
    Grimbeard said:
    After reading I've determined you want to be a tinker beggerman thief?  
    You mean Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief?
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,998
    Pawain said:
    Grimbeard said:
    After reading I've determined you want to be a tinker beggerman thief?  
    You mean Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief?
    That's popps character 
  • PlayerSkillFTWPlayerSkillFTW Posts: 668
    edited 6:25AM
    Shadow Strike was how we did it before Samurai Empire introduced Ninjas/Ninjitsu and Smoke/Egg Bombs. Upon successful hit, Shadow Strike instantly hides you.
  • LilyGraceLilyGrace Posts: 1,049
    Grimbeard said:




    After reading I've determined you want to be a tinker beggerman thief?  Why not let you poison weapons without poisoning as well? 
    It used to be my blacksmith poisoned weapons. Poisoned katanas sold like hotcakes. My smithy could barely keep up with the demand. 

    The argument was, does using smoke bombs suit the rogue class or not? I’ve proved the point that it does. Logically and historically speaking, using smoke bombs has been a rogue class thing. 

    You can’t answer the questions I asked because it makes sense a rogue would be able to use the smoke bombs they find in chests. You lost this argument ages ago. 

    Oh yeah, PlayerSkill, I’d forgotten about that. 
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,998
    LilyGrace said:
    Grimbeard said:




    After reading I've determined you want to be a tinker beggerman thief?  Why not let you poison weapons without poisoning as well? 
    It used to be my blacksmith poisoned weapons. Poisoned katanas sold like hotcakes. My smithy could barely keep up with the demand. 

    The argument was, does using smoke bombs suit the rogue class or not? I’ve proved the point that it does. Logically and historically speaking, using smoke bombs has been a rogue class thing. 

    You can’t answer the questions I asked because it makes sense a rogue would be able to use the smoke bombs they find in chests. You lost this argument ages ago. 

    Oh yeah, PlayerSkill, I’d forgotten about that. 
    Ok popps 
  • keven2002keven2002 Posts: 2,452
    LilyGrace said:

    The argument was, does using smoke bombs suit the rogue class or not? I’ve proved the point that it does. Logically and historically speaking, using smoke bombs has been a rogue class thing. 

    I can see your point and as with most UO; things are usually inconsistent lol. That said, for me personally I see smoke bombs as a ninja thing (not a thief thing) because I think about some of the ninja assassin characters from movies and they use smoke bombs...can't really remember any movie characters that used them as thieves (picture George Clooney using in Ocean's Eleven and I just laughed). 

    I see your point about the smo0ke bombs being in every chest, again valid, but would counter with bandages are also in the chests too....does your thief have healing/anatomy?? Mine doesn't (but does have ninja) so I'd argue the bandages are more out of place than the smoke bombs :P 
  • LilyGraceLilyGrace Posts: 1,049
    Yeah, I’m not saying they’re not a ninja thing. I’m saying they’re also very much a rogue thing. I don’t see why they can’t be used by both. 
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