The next logical step in the war on 3rd party programs

Army · December 18

Oreogl said:

Playboy_1 said:

Oreogl said:

Playboy_1 said:

Fenriswolf said:

if there not a way a group of people that were previously using the banned client or that have been pvping for years can get together with the DEVs to discuss options that would help, or is that all stuff that has fallen by the wayside over the years?

It cant be that hard to include features that pvpers want, that at the same time dont cause massive lag or create a disadvantage to other players

Im assuming that most users of Orion were pvpers? If they are leaving because they cant cheat in the champ spawns then good riddance..

It’s not about the champ spawns. I wish the developers would go read the Major PvP discords.

Main issues are dress/redress hasent been worked on kr finished
cycling targets by notoriety…or smoothe grab bar (which just means it grabs bar easier)
can’t use exilag….
cant record simple macros (you can with UO assist) so it’s legal.

Just simple things the base vanilla client has..like if regular basic UO had these upgrades (higher fps) customizable window) I believe every pvper would be fine with UO assist.

Most of the pvpers play script free/ free shards and were planning on going to one about to come out, becuz dislike for scripts…but these free shards are client locked; with a good assurance (basic razor) with no script abilities.

its not about the scripts, its about the playability… and just modernization.

Let’s be real here though. Most pvpers these days moved away from UOA in lieu of scripts that allowed auto healing, auto chug/cure, etc.

this isn’t about more FPS it’s the removal of the automation they used including scripts that completely allowed auto combat.

In short it is definitely about scripts. You’d be in a minority if it isn’t.

Perhaps you can send some requests to ClassicUO for some of the more simple requests.

Not true; most these pvpers are quitting for script free / free shards. It’s not about the scripts, for 99%.

Sure I’ve heard some leaving due to it. But this here explains that it was a large issue to begin with.

90% of free shards are script free..fyi. Strange huh?

Pawain · December 18

Ya this shows the maturity of the cheaters, taunting the ones who complained about cheaters in a game. @Kyronix ; Enough of this bullsyht. Ban them! You can see his account.

King · December 18

@Pawain cry more???

they are making fun?? BAN them?? wow

BAN ME, I am using WebClient!!!! OH PLS!!!

Oreogl · December 18

Army said:

Oreogl said:

Playboy_1 said:

Oreogl said:

Playboy_1 said:

Fenriswolf said:

if there not a way a group of people that were previously using the banned client or that have been pvping for years can get together with the DEVs to discuss options that would help, or is that all stuff that has fallen by the wayside over the years?

It cant be that hard to include features that pvpers want, that at the same time dont cause massive lag or create a disadvantage to other players

Im assuming that most users of Orion were pvpers? If they are leaving because they cant cheat in the champ spawns then good riddance..

It’s not about the champ spawns. I wish the developers would go read the Major PvP discords.

Main issues are dress/redress hasent been worked on kr finished
cycling targets by notoriety…or smoothe grab bar (which just means it grabs bar easier)
can’t use exilag….
cant record simple macros (you can with UO assist) so it’s legal.

Just simple things the base vanilla client has..like if regular basic UO had these upgrades (higher fps) customizable window) I believe every pvper would be fine with UO assist.

Most of the pvpers play script free/ free shards and were planning on going to one about to come out, becuz dislike for scripts…but these free shards are client locked; with a good assurance (basic razor) with no script abilities.

its not about the scripts, its about the playability… and just modernization.

Let’s be real here though. Most pvpers these days moved away from UOA in lieu of scripts that allowed auto healing, auto chug/cure, etc.

this isn’t about more FPS it’s the removal of the automation they used including scripts that completely allowed auto combat.

In short it is definitely about scripts. You’d be in a minority if it isn’t.

Perhaps you can send some requests to ClassicUO for some of the more simple requests.

Not true; most these pvpers are quitting for script free / free shards. It’s not about the scripts, for 99%.

Sure I’ve heard some leaving due to it. But this here explains that it was a large issue to begin with.

90% of free shards are script free..fyi. Strange huh?

Not really, just means there should be zero issues accepting this change then.

Cookie · December 18

Playboy_1 said:

So you’re right it’s not that hard; but when people has used them for years..feeling like they are
playing a complete new game, then it’s taken away for half finished stuff…they get disheartened/not wana play. Espically when there’s free ones coming out thay include all this (script free) I’m just trying to save the game/keep people playing.

Well said my friend, I thought you held the fort well while I took temporary leave of absence.

I feel complimented they thought I was you. I do not even know what Exitlag is.

In terms of everything, just to set a few points straight, and I'm not going to be bothered anymore by all of this, and hope I do not respond again, there is no need for me to.

Trammel was created to be easy-mode, by it's very definition. There is absolutely no escaping this.
Most pvpers, have blitzed pvm content, all of it, we need to, it is beginning steps for us,, I do most pvm, but the end goal is always to progress pvp. Those of us who pvp, and say pvm is easy, we know what we are talking about, because we have experienced both.

I'm going to be honest, I thought the 1st Gen Trammies were bad, but I honestly could not have seen this coming. I had got used to 1st Gen Trammies, it was live and let live.

I've got to admit, this 2nd wave of 2nd Gen Trammies is something else. On one hand, I admire the fight you have in you, on the other, you are so deluded, uninformed and off the scale it is untrue. 2nd Gen pvpers, are in fact a whole different bunch, and I am genuinely proud of how they turn out these days, they are playing for fun, they are used to dying, they do not complain, they do not post, or talk in general chat. To be fair, that is us naughty 1st Gen pvpers.

You can all respond how you like, with your uninformed views, hopefully I have the discipline to not respond (but we all know my willpower is zero) - peace all

To the Devs, good luck, I hope you realise none of it was personal, unless you are genuinely attacking pvpers - then it is.
To the Mods, great job - of course I deserved a ban, I knew that.

Edit - Oh, and one of the funniest Ironies - is this entire thread was started by a guy I consider a friend, and is a guildmate, we clearly have very different viewpoints.

Oreogl · December 18

Cookie said:

Playboy_1 said:

So you’re right it’s not that hard; but when people has used them for years..feeling like they are
playing a complete new game, then it’s taken away for half finished stuff…they get disheartened/not wana play. Espically when there’s free ones coming out thay include all this (script free) I’m just trying to save the game/keep people playing.

Well said my friend, I thought you held the fort well while I took temporary leave of absence.

I feel complimented they thought I was you. I do not even know what Exitlag is.

In terms of everything, just to set a few points straight, and I'm not going to be bothered anymore by all of this, and hope I do not respond again, there is no need for me to.

Trammel was created to be easy-mode, by it's very definition. There is absolutely no escaping this.
Most pvpers, have blitzed pvm content, all of it, we need to, it is beginning steps for us,, I do most pvm, but the end goal is always to progress pvp. Those of us who pvp, and say pvm is easy, we know what we are talking about, because we have experienced both.

I'm going to be honest, I thought the 1st Gen Trammies were bad, but I honestly could not have seen this coming. I had got used to 1st Gen Trammies, it was live and let live.

I've got to admit, this 2nd wave of 2nd Gen Trammies is something else. On one hand, I admire the fight you have in you, on the other, you are so deluded, uninformed and off the scale it is untrue. 2nd Gen pvpers, are in fact a whole different bunch, and I am genuinely proud of how they turn out these days, they are playing for fun, they are used to dying, they do not complain, they do not post, or talk in general chat. To be fair, that is us naughty 1st Gen pvpers.

You can all respond how you like, with your uninformed views, hopefully I have the discipline to not respond (but we all know my willpower is zero) - peace all

To the Devs, good luck, I hope you realise none of it was personal, unless you are genuinely attacking pvpers - then it is.
To the Mods, great job - of course I deserved a ban, I knew that.

No one should take this seriously. I remember calling people Carebears (however cringeworthy that is looking back now) for playing in trammel. But having tantrums due to a specific client being shut down is way, way worse. The irony of accusing others of playing easy mode.

There is no rationalizing cheating.

KroDuK · December 18

Cookie said:
I do not even know what Exitlag is.

It's in the name? Plus i told it.. VPN.

You couldn't play Blade and Soul without one of those (a real e-sport PvP game at some point, with normalize 1v1 and 3v3 on a MMOrpg) cuz the server at NCWest were poo poo.

BTW, you suck at pretending.

Enjoy your BvB for untalented cheaters and retired old gamers enjoying their bots armies.
At this point, I can't blame y'all for using cheat engine.. we clearly not have enough passionate legit players to make things happen short term..

I'm not giving up on exposing the failures tho..

Cookie · December 18

Oreogl said:
There is no rationalizing cheating.

There is no rationalising a dead set opinion that is not open to adaptation.

All that has to happen, is the rules change, and something is not cheating.

King · December 18

@Cookie The problem with today’s society is that it’s either “my way” or “your way.” No one wants to talk, and no one wants to have a civil conversation. It’s always extremes: either “all trammies suck” or “all PvPers are bad and should be banned.”

PvM players farm to stock their vendors, but they probably don’t realize that most of the people buying from those vendors are likely PvPers. Funny how that works. I agree that a lot needs to change, and we can also place some blame on the people running the show.

This is the first time in years that they’ve finally addressed the outdated 1999 client—and they did it poorly, in my opinion. They released something in beta that, as others have pointed out, seems worse than what people in their basements have created. Then there’s New Legacy (NL), which, honestly, no one asked for. It took over three years to release after being announced as the “great comeback of UO.”

If you look back at many posts from both sides—whether you’re PvP or PvM—it’s clear people were asking the same question: why not fix what’s broken before releasing something new? But the past is the past, and now we’re in this situation with a third-party client that has existed for over 10 years. Now, suddenly, they decide, “no more”?

Don’t get me wrong—the web client has potential, but it still has a long way to go. The developers have nothing to do with it, if I understand correctly, so we’re relying on a third party to fix things. If we could have civil conversations, I’m sure we could come to some kind of compromise, like making the A, B, C, and O clients available with certain restrictions.

But instead of working together, people just create 10, 20, 30 threads on the same topic and attack each other. That’s easier, right? Plus, it generates more clicks!

Cookie · December 18

KroDuK said:

Cookie said:
I do not even know what Exitlag is.

It's in the name? Plus i told it.. VPN.

You couldn't play Blade and Soul (a real e-sport PvP game at some point, with normalize 1v1 and 3v3 on a MMOrpg) cuz the server at NCWest were poo poo.

BTW, you suck at pretending.

Enjoy your BvB for untalented cheaters and retired old gamers enjoying their bots armies.
At this point, I can't blame y'all for using cheat engine.. we clearly have not enough passionate legit players to make things happen short term..

I'm not giving up on exposing the failures tho..

And you my friend, I had a dream, where I transferred to Legends and came and wiped you out in pvp.

Then I woke up this morning, and heard how mouthy you are on that shard, then I realised my equipment is shard bound, so I could not be bothered.

Oreogl · December 18

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:
There is no rationalizing cheating.

There is no rationalising a dead set opinion that is not open to adaptation.

All that has to happen, is the rules change, and something is not cheating.

You can church it up all you want bud, it doesn’t change anything.

Scripting is still cheating.

KroDuK · December 18

Cookie said:
And you my friend, I had a dream, where I transferred to Legends and came and wiped you out in pvp.

Calm down kido and keep dreaming.. Someone is losing touch with reality cuz he got his little automated wheels back.. get back in the rank and know your place and your limit..

You talking with someone that do not limit itself with little automated wheels.

God you are dumb.. never once in your brain u were like well.. maybe i shouldn't talk big the very first day it came back.. i'll look like a weakling.. where was that big talk when we had the same tools?

I take back what I said u clearly know your limit.. or i wouldn't be typing these lines TODAY.

Edit: depending on you, you wouldn't talk big yesterday cuz u lost the ability to auto trapped box in PvP?
This would be the only reason why u talk big today.. cuz u get back this ONE and ONLY ability?!

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King · December 18

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:
There is no rationalizing cheating.

There is no rationalising a dead set opinion that is not open to adaptation.

All that has to happen, is the rules change, and something is not cheating.

You can church it up all you want bud, it doesn’t change anything.

Scripting is still cheating.

i will make easy for you! and pls answer me this!

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King · December 18

i can go on and on and on about that

so, all scripts should be banned right?

why is ok for just the EC? is that not an advantage from 1 client over the other?

why on EC you can have tree stumps but on the WEBCLIENT is unfair play?

Oreogl · December 18

King said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:
There is no rationalizing cheating.

There is no rationalising a dead set opinion that is not open to adaptation.

All that has to happen, is the rules change, and something is not cheating.

You can church it up all you want bud, it doesn’t change anything.

Scripting is still cheating.

i will make easy for you! and pls answer me this!

What’s the question?

you’re showing me an EC macro vs advocating for a fully automated script

Oreogl · December 18

King said:

i can go on and on and on about that

so, all scripts should be banned right?
why is ok for just the EC? is that not an advantage from 1 client over the other?
why on EC you can have tree stumps but on the WEBCLIENT is unfair play?

Your argument here is semantics on the word script? Lol

Thats your argument?

King · December 18

see.....pointless to have a conversation, when you can see right at your face. that you can make a lot and i mean a lot of Lua scripts and you deny they exist

Cookie · December 18

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:
There is no rationalizing cheating.

There is no rationalising a dead set opinion that is not open to adaptation.

All that has to happen, is the rules change, and something is not cheating.

You can church it up all you want bud, it doesn’t change anything.

Scripting is still cheating.

I asked the AI - Is scripting cheating.

Now as I come from a Professional background, and I encourage others to learn and progress themselves, the 3rd paragraph is relevant to me, this is the future, this is the way.

Oreogl · December 18

King said:

see.....pointless to have a conversation, when you can see right at your face. that you can make a lot and i mean a lot of Lua scripts and you deny they exist

I know you think you’re making a point here but if they were equivalent you’d all be using EC.

King · December 18

no because 99% the pvpers dont even consider that UO, that thing is ugly as hell

Cookie · December 18

KroDuK said:

Cookie said:
And you my friend, I had a dream, where I transferred to Legends and came and wiped you out in pvp.

Calm down kido and keep dreaming.. Someone is losing touch with reality cuz he got his little automated wheels back.. get back in the rank and know your place and your limit..

You talking with someone that do not limit itself with little automated wheels.

God you are dumb.. never once in your brain u were like well.. maybe i shouldn't talk big the very first day it came back.. i'll look like a weakling.. where was that big talk when we had the same tools?

I take back what I said u clearly know your limit.. or i wouldn't be typing these lines TODAY.

You missed me, admit it, I was only gone 24 hours.

King · December 18

Oreogl said:

King said:

see.....pointless to have a conversation, when you can see right at your face. that you can make a lot and i mean a lot of Lua scripts and you deny they exist

I know you think you’re making a point here but if they were equivalent you’d all be using EC.

why cant you just say the true? and call what it is

Oreogl · December 18

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:
There is no rationalizing cheating.

There is no rationalising a dead set opinion that is not open to adaptation.

All that has to happen, is the rules change, and something is not cheating.

You can church it up all you want bud, it doesn’t change anything.

Scripting is still cheating.

I asked the AI - Is scripting cheating.
Now as I come from a Professional background, and I encourage others to learn and progress themselves, the 3rd paragraph is relevant to me, this is the future, this is the way.

This should be good. What functions do you want to fully automate, professionally speaking of course.

Playboy_1 · December 18

All the people clogging up servers/causing lag was Pvmers btw. Pvpers just want smoother screens/better targeting / cycle by notoriety..not going after dogs cats/ sheep…better frames…more arm/re arm

Oreogl · December 18

Playboy_1 said:

All the people clogging up servers/causing lag was Pvmers btw. Pvpers just want smoother screens/better targeting / cycle by notoriety..not going after dogs cats/ sheep…better frames…more arm/re arm

I know some of this is legitimate, I’ve been there.

PVP , PVM doesn’t matter who’s using the scripts.

Im just another guy with an opinion but scripting hands down ruined PvP and was clearly having a huge impact on PVM (on Atlantic anyways).

Cookie · December 18

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:
There is no rationalizing cheating.

There is no rationalising a dead set opinion that is not open to adaptation.

All that has to happen, is the rules change, and something is not cheating.

You can church it up all you want bud, it doesn’t change anything.

Scripting is still cheating.

I asked the AI - Is scripting cheating.
Now as I come from a Professional background, and I encourage others to learn and progress themselves, the 3rd paragraph is relevant to me, this is the future, this is the way.

This should be good. What functions do you want to fully automate, professionally speaking of course.

When you think about technology, and progress.

A lot of money is spent by the military, and it feeds into civilian technology.
The same used to be true for space technology into civilian technology.
These days - it is gaming tech - that flows into civilian tech - the reason games should and must progress, is because that is how we progress society, that is how we, and our kids learn to adapt to society around us, as it is.

I remember when macros were brand new - then they got put into spreadsheets.
Then scripts.
Then APT links between softwares, so they could link up, and share info and perform tasks etc etc.
Voice Chat became Microsoft Teams.
Virtual Reality games, became Virtual Reality Instructors into some technical roles - like metal-working.
Then AI.
Professionally speaking, my entire role could be automated, to allow me to play more UO.

Oreogl · December 18

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:
There is no rationalizing cheating.

There is no rationalising a dead set opinion that is not open to adaptation.

All that has to happen, is the rules change, and something is not cheating.

You can church it up all you want bud, it doesn’t change anything.

Scripting is still cheating.

I asked the AI - Is scripting cheating.
Now as I come from a Professional background, and I encourage others to learn and progress themselves, the 3rd paragraph is relevant to me, this is the future, this is the way.

This should be good. What functions do you want to fully automate, professionally speaking of course.

When you think about technology, and progress.

A lot of money is spent by the military, and it feeds into civilian technology.
The same used to be true for space technology into civilian technology.
These days - it is gaming tech - that flows into civilian tech - the reason games should and must progress, is because that is how we progress society, that is how we, and our kids learn to adapt to society around us, as it is.

I remember when macros were brand new - then they got put into spreadsheets.
Then scripts.
Then APT links between softwares, so they could link up, and shard info and perform tasks etc etc.
Voice Chat became Microsoft Teams.
Virtual Reality games, became Instructors into some technical roles.
Then AI.
Professionally speaking, my entire role could be automated, to allow me to play more UO.

Ok, but this doesn’t answer the question does it?

I asked you how you wanted to script and you gave me word salad about the military and civilian tech.

Much like the one before, by telling me we all we need to do is be flexible with the idea of scripting and all they needed to do is change the rules to allow it.

Great, i guess if we are going to continue sell me your ideas. What do you want it to script?

KroDuK · December 18

Cookie said:
because that is how we progress society, that is how we, and our kids learn to adapt to society around us, as it is.

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The human species race under Cookie regime.
Make them dumber and lazier!

In the most recent Bernard Werber novel.. he sees a future we are like bees.. but only the 33% that stay home to socialize.. while AI does all the rest.. in this utopia.. u need to nuke 95%+ of the earth population cuz of resources build different colony that would trade their wife.. even then.. I won't spoiled the end... but u can compare his model to what happen and still happening with UO.. nuking their own game while the greed of few is infinite and the main reason why they nuking their own game.. with y'all UO has no future.. it is doom to die when y'all does.

When it has the potential to still be one of the best sandbox out there with 250k+ sub.. the restaurant is infested by cockroaches.

The prophecy of the bees (tome 2 of a 3 books series) not his best if anyone wonder.

Playboy_1 · December 18

This cookie guy seems very smart/cool. Knows what he’s talking about; and respectful about it.

Oreogl · December 18

King said:

no because 99% the pvpers dont even consider that UO, that thing is ugly as hell

Yes the graphics suck, I’ve yet to see anyone like them.

But you don’t need to be looking at the graphics if you’re fully scripting anyways. Many people use it despite the graphics because of the functionality, but wasn’t really the point you were trying to make, is it?

You were trying to compare the twos “scripting”capabilities.

I mean, I’m in favor of giving the EC the CC graphics if that’s what you’re advocating for.

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