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Put the Despise rewards in the Void Pool and then give us real Despise back.

Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 395
in General Discussions
Void pool is kind of fun, but without the hat event there's just no reason to do it. Rewards are pure trash and as it stands I will never spend the billion void pool points I've accumulated recently.

Despise minigame is total crap. Someone farmed it enough at some point to put some quivers on the market, but in all these years I've literally never heard anyone talk about it. Ask a group of players "Hey what should we do?" and it'll come up zero percent of the time.

Even worse, the Despise minigame ruined what used to be the best dungeon for newbs/returnees who wanted to train up a character legitimately. Its addition amounted to vandalism of the game.

So kill two birds with one stone. Put the Despise rewards in the void pool so maybe there's something someone wants in there, maybe reset points first so we don't all get a billion items with the points we've hoarded. Then shoot the Despise minigame into the sun and restore Despise to its old configuration. It still exists in Fel, just copy it over sans champ spawn.

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  • AtomicBettyAtomicBetty Posts: 292
    Despise won't be used if it was put back to its original form.  I think what you are actually suggesting is that the new despise gets its reward list updated.
  • keven2002keven2002 Posts: 2,257
    Or update the void pool rewards... I'd be ok with the rewards from this event (like garg earrings / balron bone) getting added to the VP reward list for an appropriate amount of points
  • PawainPawain Posts: 9,986
    They have been updating the huntsmaster challenge with items.  Add a few deco items to the Void Pool vendor and the Putrid Hearts Vendor.  Dungeon themed deco items would be cool to begin with.  Ethereal armor from past events. 
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  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 395
    AtomicBetty said:
    Despise won't be used if it was put back to its original form.  I think what you are actually suggesting is that the new despise gets its reward list updated.

    On Atlantic it used to be *the* place you'd send a newb once they were done with Old Haven skeletons and wanted to know where to go next. On the other hand new Despise is super awkward and pure crap. It's not even a dungeon anymore. I have 100% never ever heard anyone talk about doing it or wanting to do it. It has to be one of the biggest flops they've ever pushed out.
  • Lord_FrodoLord_Frodo Posts: 2,421
    Despise was a good place to train pet and new chars.
  • CovenantXCovenantX Posts: 991
    Tram despise is the worst revamp of all the dungeon revamps so far, that being said, some of the rewards are still nice though..    I'd rather the first 2 levels in despise have something else to do in it besides 'possess pets' to fight the boss on lv 3, and maybe the wisp vendor outside the dungeon can sell something people might want as well, everything on the wisp vendor has always been useless (especially since the durability bug with ephemeral items was fixed)     with all the scripting people do anymore, reverting despise back to it's original state isn't going to make a difference one way or the other.


    There's tons of content all over the game that needs revamped, mostly the rewards they drop,  Doom is still a half-ass revamp what, 8-10 years later?,....  'Oh but after NL, we'll see production shards being updated more", we'll see.


    Remove or change casting focus & poison immunity it reduces the need for "Player Skill" it's garbage. rant2 Bring timing back and eliminate chance in pvp!
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  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 395
    I hang out in Atlantic Haven a lot and the kind of people who ask me where to go next don't know how to script yet.

    Anyway these dungeon revamps were the peak era of effort being wasted because the devs were too out of touch. They actually thought someone would want all that ephemeral garbage. They actually thought someone would want all this void pool junk, like the chance to upgrade ingots at a massive loss was going to be a serious driver of PVM activity. Crazy.
  • Jelly_KellyJelly_Kelly Posts: 19
    I totally do not get the revamp to despise.  When I came back I went there to do some training and was like WTH. I still do don't even know what do it in despise.  Is there a guide somewhere? 
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  • MariahMariah Posts: 3,239Moderator
    I totally do not get the revamp to despise.  When I came back I went there to do some training and was like WTH. I still do don't even know what do it in despise.  Is there a guide somewhere? 

    https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/world/dungeons/dungeon-despise-trammel/

  • Petra_FydePetra_Fyde Posts: 1,454
    Lord_Nythrax said:
    I hang out in Atlantic Haven a lot and the kind of people who ask me where to go next don't know how to script yet.

    Anyway these dungeon revamps were the peak era of effort being wasted because the devs were too out of touch. They actually thought someone would want all that ephemeral garbage. They actually thought someone would want all this void pool junk, like the chance to upgrade ingots at a massive loss was going to be a serious driver of PVM activity. Crazy.
    While I realise you have no use for the void pool items, I have used them, together with bod rewards, to farm higher end ingots, mostly agapite. 
    But then of course I'm not a very good player, obviously not because I use the EC daily and get along with it very well indeed. I don't find it matches your description of it as posted in this forum.
  • keven2002keven2002 Posts: 2,257
    Lord_Nythrax said:
    Anyway these dungeon revamps were the peak era of effort being wasted because the devs were too out of touch. They actually thought someone would want all that ephemeral garbage. They actually thought someone would want all this void pool junk, like the chance to upgrade ingots at a massive loss was going to be a serious driver of PVM activity. Crazy.
    I agree. I'm not sure how accurate but I get the feeling this Dev team wants to avoid changing loot systems / context menus / intertwined code at all costs; at least since NL has been a thing. Anyone that actually plays the game knows that 80% of the weapons in the game are junk (I'm talking regular weapons). Tell me the last time you saw anyone use a cutlass or a viking sword or almost any fencing weapon out of a leafblade... you can insert 80% of the weapons that exist; regardless of the mods on it. But to fix this problem they would need to change the coding of weapon specials and how they act.

    The other thing is that 75% of the artifact drops are either outdated or were trash to begin with and nothing was ever done to resolve it. Nobody has ever used the Holy Knight's breastplate in their suit or used the Dragon Slayer lance to actually slay dragons. The jackles collar or blade of insanity were once used in suits pre-imbuing... but nobody wants them anymore because we can craft/imbue items that are better than these now.

    I think the issue becomes where the Dev team knows that could open a can of worms by tweaking stats (making things too OP) or swinging the balance of things that would make other things obsolete; all that while meddling in code that has been touched by several different teams. Not saying that I don't think they should be updating older stuff but this is the reason I think they don't.
  • OkamiOkami Posts: 84
    This dev team can't even repopulate Blackthorn's dungeon and just left it a massive open space, you think they have the skill set to successfully revert Despise?

    It's clear all the dev effort is going into New Legacy and we're just stuck getting mad lib seasonal events that are either a temp champ spawn or farming an area for points.
  • shootgunshootgun Posts: 321
    I tried to do Tram Despise solo 2-3 times. I could not kill the boss no matter what. I also tried to find people on global chat but nobody joined me.

    It would be nice to get my own 250 luck ring. So, I hope this gets added.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,259
    shootgun said:
    I tried to do Tram Despise solo 2-3 times. I could not kill the boss no matter what. I also tried to find people on global chat but nobody joined me.

    It would be nice to get my own 250 luck ring. So, I hope this gets added.
    The fact that compassion eye is cheap and readily available leads me to believe it's easy and probably scriptable...
  • TheoTheo Posts: 202
    Agree 100%. Despise is great source of spined leather and great for training new dexers. I miss it since it was ruined.  No one does the content there.  
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 395
    Petra_Fyde said:

    While I realise you have no use for the void pool items, I have used them, together with bod rewards, to farm higher end ingots, mostly agapite. 
    But then of course I'm not a very good player, obviously not because I use the EC daily and get along with it very well indeed. I don't find it matches your description of it as posted in this forum.

    There's bound to be some subset of crafters who don't mind using them, but not that many, and even then the lifespans on the items mean no one else can really farm them to sell. They made an entire PVM system for the combat alts of crafters who want to upgrade ingots and stuff, and literally no one else. I wanna get one of these devs and ask them how many people they THOUGHT were going to do it.
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 395
    edited September 8
    Wow, someone's bootyblasted aren't they? Anyway yeah, this is a pretty good idea. We really could use old Despise back, and a reason to maybe run the void pool. Congratulations me, great thread. But what are you doing here? Shouldn't you be back in your own thread childishly begging for loot and bragging about all the 13 year old Fortnite champions in your guild?
  • Minerva_FoxgloveMinerva_Foxglove Posts: 244
    edited September 18
    Hi! im an elder lady that mainly spent 15+ years of my 25 in  UO  meeting new players in Haven. Equipping,  guiding and inspireing new and returning players. Telling returnees they could regain old accounts and actually SEE them . Thats often makes them go right away and sunbshribe.. Despise  changes was a big chock to me. Its was the best place for training new chars , new players, new pets and gather leather. My young sons got their first friends in there and a guild to join. My guild held meetings at Brit Bank Europa for atleast 15 years, every evening; to share our experiences and gave a hand with all sorts of questios and needs . There were seats for everyone. Ppl were sad about the Despise changes most of all , I heard noone disagree about that.
  • BarkleyBarkley Posts: 6
    when I came back, after a few years break, I was very disappointed to see that Despise had been turned into... whatever that is.  I suppose someone thought New Haven replaced the need for Despise for newbies, but I'd much rather see Despise go back to what it was.  
  • McDougleMcDougle Posts: 4,080
    Barkley said:
    when I came back, after a few years break, I was very disappointed to see that Despise had been turned into... whatever that is.  I suppose someone thought New Haven replaced the need for Despise for newbies, but I'd much rather see Despise go back to what it was.  
    The problem is two fold 
    1. Haven incomplete it should have been expanded to take new players to GM 
    Despise and blackthorns were perfect for training 
    Acknowledgment and accountability go a long way... 
  • GarretGarret Posts: 187
      Well, guys, for training there are cemeteries and the Shame dungeon, and Shame is better in all respects, both in terms of the number and variety of combat skills of monsters and in terms of reward (you can farm better items and shame crystals which is worth more then anything in Despise).
      Also, the new Despise can be used for advanced training better than anything else in the game, starting from the moment that you can just take a tank’s pet and beat monsters without taking damage yourself and satyrs allow you to use a quick leveling technique + this is simple and fun encounter.
      So the fact that the old Despise is the best place for beginners is absolutely not true, just like Blackthorn which was permanently populated by bots, please tell me how a beginner should train there? Oh, you probably want them to deal with the bot problem, but so far it looks like a bunch of bot owners want their place back - lol.
      No offence ofc.
  • BarkleyBarkley Posts: 6
    Never botted, never will. For me there's a lot of nostalgia and memories for old Despise. My friends and girls and I used to have a lot of fun there. Now it's just some place I used to go. So yeah, some offense taken since you're assuming anyone who liked Despise and would like it back must be a cheater
  • GarretGarret Posts: 187
    Barkley said:
    Never botted, never will. For me there's a lot of nostalgia and memories for old Despise. My friends and girls and I used to have a lot of fun there. Now it's just some place I used to go. So yeah, some offense taken since you're assuming anyone who liked Despise and would like it back must be a cheater
    If you nostalgic go to felucca there is still old Despise and even more authentic.
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 395
    Nobody's going to Felucca. Everyone made their choice almost 25 years ago and nobody is going back. Old Despise was the best place to train a character through normal gameplay, nobody cares about whatever dumb trick you have for New Despise using satyrs and tank pets.
  • GarretGarret Posts: 187
    Like i said Shame is perfect place and even more profitable, new players don't have that nostalgic feelings so they are don't care which dungeon to farm, if u are nostalgic u can go Felucca and if u wish to use power technic to skill up,like im pretty sure for 99% every old player will use, like any magic skill with coin press button (or legit macros) or golem/spider/ogre for any melle skills or new despise for any skill.
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