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Is this what UO needs?

GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,043
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https://community.stratics.com/threads/albion-online-partners-with-battleye.430058/
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  • SkettSkett Posts: 1,415
    sounds good if it works id have know issue using it/ installing it as long as its not able to snoop around my personal info.
  • PawainPawain Posts: 9,133
    Looking at all the replies, it looks like it was well received. 
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • TimTim Posts: 796
    A quick read of the battleye site includes the line
     
     "fast dynamic and permanent scanning of the player’s system using specific and heuristic/generic detection routines for maximum effectiveness."

    So yes open up your entire computer system to our scanning so you can play a game. You can trust us we won't be hacked or use this access for anything else.

    sent from the office of a Nigerian Prince. >:)
  • AmberWitchAmberWitch Posts: 653
    Has there been any instances of accounts that have used Battleye being hacked?

  • PawainPawain Posts: 9,133
    How would this program differentiate between me pressing buttons and my keyboard or mouse using macros I have set up?  Or does it only detect known outside programs?

    Also it seems it is only for Steam.

    The FAQs are all questions on why it does not work with peoples systems.  

    Sure, if UO includes anti cheat software in UO, I would still play.  When one is free to use, maybe they would consider it.  I do not see them increasing the budget to include one.


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  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,043
    This might not be the answer but cheating definitely one of UOs biggest problems 
  • Lord_FrodoLord_Frodo Posts: 2,261
    edited July 2023
    Are BOTs really that big of a problem or is it all the 3rd party clients / house placing tools and the likes.  I haven't seen any resource BOTs in a long time.  If UO did manage to get rid of all cheaters would UO survive, I am not saying I am for cheating but I do not want UO to die and some of the features that other programs give would be a nice add on to help the older generation to continue to play.
  • SkettSkett Posts: 1,415
    there are still bots it. but at this point nobody cares about them, the script mining and lumber scripting etc damage has been done a long time ago and hardly anyone seems to want to collect resources so they just help out at this point and a lot of the resources are so cheap which stop a lot from collection them. so the bots win again and to some part so do we i guess.   
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,043
    I think putting resources on ships killed the need for resource bots the bigger problem would indeed be pvp 3rd party clients being used yoshi more of a horse beating broken record than me but has reason to be 
  • CovenantXCovenantX Posts: 917
    edited July 2023
    Third party clients being used for pvp are the same programs people use to Afk mine/LJ, pvm afk and loot (bots), there's another program that allows for the client controlled by scripts to run basically in the backround, which would let you run many many more clients than your machine would support, if you had run them in legal clients.

    If you're truly a legitimate player, there wouldn't be much concern other than security risks, which someone mentioned earlier in the thread.

    I'm for it, but I also feel like UO is far beyond the point where cheating players being banned is going to kill the game.. but I am also of the opinion, that if that is the case.. UO isn't worth saving, so there's that.
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  • SkettSkett Posts: 1,415
    I believe UO is worth saving and might run a negative player base/ revenue possibly for a while but in time maybe some old players would come back if word got out that cheat has almost been completely eliminated and bugs are being fixed. But they would have to send out mass emails and do some real advertising as well. imho  
  • YoshiYoshi Posts: 3,322
    "well, bit of a strange move considering they've stopped doing bug fixes themselves and you gotta install the cheat software to get the bug fixes, 

    but yeah other than that great idea"
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  • CovenantXCovenantX Posts: 917
    Yoshi said:
    "well, bit of a strange move considering they've stopped doing bug fixes themselves and you gotta install the cheat software to get the bug fixes, 

    but yeah other than that great idea"
        without auto-pop boxes, the bug you most often claim is a valid reason to use a third-party client (No Nerve-strike debuff icon) among other similar things, wouldn't matter, because everyone would be in the same boat once again.   instead of only the people cheating having these perks & scripts to abuse those perks. it'll level the playing field... 

    Unfortunately for the cheaters, they're going to be making so many mistakes they're going to be worse at pvp than people who have never pvp'd before, which would be hilarious to watch, but probably too embarrassing for them, they might actually quit..  -if such a thing ever happened.  -it'll be a great day & future for UO if it does, assuming it survives the massive dip in garbage players that can't adapt and time things themselves.

    Remove or change casting focus & poison immunity it reduces the need for "Player Skill" it's garbage. rant2 Bring timing back and eliminate chance in pvp!
    ICQ# 478 633 659
  • YoshiYoshi Posts: 3,322
    "no, most of the other bugs also fixed in EC, so people would be forced to play EC"
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  • CovenantXCovenantX Posts: 917

     Trying to imagine why that's a bad thing?
    Remove or change casting focus & poison immunity it reduces the need for "Player Skill" it's garbage. rant2 Bring timing back and eliminate chance in pvp!
    ICQ# 478 633 659
  • usernameusername Posts: 714
    edited July 2023
    We don't need anything like that, nor would it be effective. The only really effective anti cheats are kernel level and most people don't like kernel level stuff on their PC, for good reason.

    By the way, Mesanna&Co. can very easily detect and disable 3rd party clients. They've said/hinted at it several times at M&Gs and what Mesanna has said in game off cuff. We need to be loud and make it clear that the majority of players don't want these clients, and also, we want development time put in to the clients to bring them up to the 2023. It will take time, but that's how Multiboxing finally was made illegal. It took years of complaining and emails but it happened. I believe it was at the 20th anniversary when Mesanna was speaking she announced it was finally illegal. Do the same for these clients: you get paged on, you're using a client, instant 24 hour. Subsequent violations are 48/72/perm. Or, my preferred solution, outright block/perm ban anyone connecting to the servers with one of these clients. 

    Still can't wait till the people that make these clients ROB everyone that uses them blind. Don't forget, there is ZERO encryption on your UO password: it's exposed as clear as day in the client. Go grab a hex editor and view a client you have logged in.
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  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,280
    edited July 2023
    If they fixed the original classic client, we would not be having these issues, as they have not done it - someone else has.

    That is not to put them down, they did make some headway, then it all stopped.

    Be honest - in the last year or so - has anyone seen the Devs? And I even support them as well, nothing negative against them.
  • YoshiYoshi Posts: 3,322
    edited July 2023
    “Not about everyone being equal,

    just shouldn’t have to play a game with bugs at all, don’t matter if everyone suffers same bugs

    its just dumb af to attack your own guild mate or have to scroll through all the targets again when target teleports

    they built in a macro to use trapped box
    so they intended us to use trapped box

    but you gotta have a third party program cos no debuff”
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  • looploop Posts: 317
    Does every thread have to be about this topic?

    Third party clients make the game better for a large number of players. These clients provide quality of life improvements that Broadsword is unable to provide (not a hit at them). Broadsword’s practice of not officially allowing them (security problems being one reason not to do so) but not banning players outright, while wishy-washy, is a compassionate stance. It’s also better for them financially.

    However, reasonable people can agree that unattended play, such as the automating of resource gathering, should not be prohibited, regardless of client. This is botting. Even private servers draw the line in this regard.
  • keven2002keven2002 Posts: 2,180
    edited July 2023
    Grimbeard said:
    This might not be the answer but cheating definitely one of UOs biggest problems 
    What is a bigger problem? Cheating or lack of content? I'd argue they need to focus on getting new stuff in the game before taking on cheating.

    All the regular people that aren't looking to cheat and just want to play something new are going to leave at some point when they don't feel like they are getting anything out of their subscription dollars. Eventually the only people that are going to be left are the cheaters either scripting PvM to sell stuff to the PvPers cheating to "be the best". 

    At that point, they will have no choice but to let people cheat because otherwise the game shuts down.
  • Garth_GreyGarth_Grey Posts: 1,453
    Pawain said:
    How would this program differentiate between me pressing buttons and my keyboard or mouse using macros I have set up?  Or does it only detect known outside programs?

    Also it seems it is only for Steam.

    The FAQs are all questions on why it does not work with peoples systems.  

    Sure, if UO includes anti cheat software in UO, I would still play.  When one is free to use, maybe they would consider it.  I do not see them increasing the budget to include one.



    My guess is, you give them permission to see your running processes.
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  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 111
    The UO Classic Client has been ill-maintained and has fallen below the standards of an acceptable commercial product. Meanwhile I can't even set a particularly readable font in the Enhanced Client. It's all a real problem even for people with no interest in botting.
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 111
    edited July 2023
     
  • Lord_FrodoLord_Frodo Posts: 2,261
    I would gladly use the EC if it had a Classic Graphic switch and I understand all about the zoom so disable zoom if you pick CC mode.
  • YoshiYoshi Posts: 3,322
    “If broadsword don’t want people using cheats.

    why they forcing people to download them?”
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  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 111
    Lord_Frodo said:
    I would gladly use the EC if it had a Classic Graphic switch and I understand all about the zoom so disable zoom if you pick CC mode.
    I'd use it if they did that and also did some work to make it more legible and usable. Everything is just so fiendishly ugly and hard to read; itty bitty object sprites inside big hotbar boxes, option menus full of tiny black text on blue/grey backgrounds, stuff like that.

    I got into Pinco's and it's like something designed by aliens. Like I have to dig through settings and uncheck a box to not have the skills gump locked on to the screen permanently. It's not the biggest deal, but... why? Then the settings menus don't have an "apply" button, so if you're adjusting a slider and your mouse pointer slides off the line, it just applies whatever random value was on the slider at the time. That's super fun when you're adjusting UI scale and it warps the whole screen and closes the menu.

    It's just like, what kind of software is this? Come on. People aren't asking much.
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 111
    Yoshi said:
    “If broadsword don’t want people using cheats.

    why they forcing people to download them?”
    I mean I wouldn't say it exactly like that, but it's true that this problem wouldn't be happening to anywhere near the same extent if Broadsword had engaged in a reasonable amount of client maintenance and QoL over the years.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,043
    So again I ask what's the magical number of emails needed to get something changed we have multiple people here asking for something do forum request not count? @Mesanna
  • Victim_Of_SiegeVictim_Of_Siege Posts: 1,861
    Grimbeard said:
    So again I ask what's the magical number of emails needed to get something changed we have multiple people here asking for something do forum request not count? @ Mesanna
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  • PawainPawain Posts: 9,133
    Grimbeard said:
    So again I ask what's the magical number of emails needed to get something changed we have multiple people here asking for something do forum request not count? @ Mesanna
    There is no number.  They run UO. They decide if they want to change something. Whether 1 player ask s or none or 100.  That's what you can do when you are in charge.
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