Default UI on EC lists incorrect casting times for Necromancy

Mervyn · June 2018

The bug i experience is, on default ui on EC, necromancy spellbook lists the following casting speeds:
Animate dead 1.5s
Blood oath 1.5s
Corpse Skin 2s
Curse Weapon 1s
Evil omen 1s
Horrific Beast 4s
Lich Form 4s
Mind Rot 1.5s
Pain Spike 1s
Poison strike 2s
Strangle 2.5s
Summon Familiar 4s
Vampiric Embrace 4s
Vengeful Spirit 4s
Wither 1.5s
Wraith Form 4s
Exorcism 2s

The expected result is to list the spell casting times as the following (relative to the listed magery/mysticism casting speeds)
Animate dead 1.25s
Blood oath 1.25s
Corpse Skin 1.25s
Curse Weapon 0.5s
Evil omen 0.5s
Horrific Beast 1.75s
Lich Form 1.75s
Mind Rot 1.25s
Pain Spike 0.75s
Poison strike 1.5s
Strangle 1.75s
Summon Familiar 1.75s
Vampiric Embrace 1.75s
Vengeful Spirit 1.75s
Wither 1.s
Wraith Form 1.75s
Exorcism 1.75s

You're welcome.

Yoshi · April 2021

" @Arroth_Thaiel can you fix please? "

Seth · April 2021

I found the spells info in SpellsInfo.lua, seems to be these:

	elseif (spellId == 104 or spellId == 109 or spellId == 105) then -- Necromancy
		speed = 1
		forceCap = true
	elseif (spellId == 102 or spellId == 108 or spellId == 101 or spellId == 115) then -- Necromancy
		speed = 1.5
		forceCap = true
	elseif (spellId == 103 or spellId == 110 or spellId == 117) then -- Necromancy
		speed = 2
		forceCap = true
	elseif (spellId == 111) then -- Necromancy
		speed =2.5
		forceCap = true
	elseif (spellId == 116 or spellId == 112 or spellId == 106 or spellId == 107 or spellId == 113 or spellId == 114) then -- Necromancy
		speed = 4
		forceCap = true

The spell id are linked to the actual spells in another part of the code.

Let's wait for @Arroth_Thaiel to confirm.

@Yoshi are you sure the timings are wrong before we change?

Yoshi · April 2021

,

Seth · April 2021

Ok, the spell references for the ID above are found as follows:


	elseif (spellId == 101) then -- Animate Dead
		return 40
	elseif (spellId == 102) then -- Blood Oath
		return 20
	elseif (spellId == 103) then -- Corpse Skin
		return 20
	elseif (spellId == 104) then -- Curse Weapon
		return 0
	elseif (spellId == 105) then -- Evil Omen
		return 20
	elseif (spellId == 106) then -- Horrific Beast
		return 40
	elseif (spellId == 107) then -- Lich Form
		return 70
	elseif (spellId == 108) then -- Mind Rot
		return 30
	elseif (spellId == 109) then -- Pain Spike
		return 20
	elseif (spellId == 110) then -- Poison Strike
		return 50
	elseif (spellId == 111) then -- Strangle
		return 65
	elseif (spellId == 112) then -- Summon Familiar
		return 30
	elseif (spellId == 113) then -- Vampiric Embrace
		return 99
	elseif (spellId == 114) then -- Vengeful Spirit
		return 80
	elseif (spellId == 115) then -- Wither
		return 60
	elseif (spellId == 116) then -- Wraith Form
		return 20
	elseif (spellId == 117) then -- Exorcism
		return 80
	end

So basically anyone can change the timings in the my first post's if-else statements that has this:

speed = xx

I think I may have got this right this time but again, will be happy if @Arroth_Thaiel can confirm.

Seth · April 2021

@Yoshi

btw in EC, the spell timings shown are affected by the equipped FC.

So if we equip FC 2, the spell timings will be adjusted to show -0.5 secs faster on the spellbook.

This is the case for magery spellbook but I believe Necro is the same.

Yoshi · April 2021

"all the base timings are incorrect, wearing fc2 should show evil omen as having 0.25 seconds etc etc, the corrected times listed in the OP are what the times should read at FC0”

Seth · April 2021

Based on this webpage again:

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/skills/necromancy/

The stated delay times for the spells are "correct" but if you say they are wrong, then I think its best to ask @Mariah to verify and amend the official Wiki first. This is so that both Wiki and game info matches.

Arroth_Thaiel · April 2021

@Misk (just FYI - this is mostly just my logic train!)

I have not checked each spell in the Necromancy school, but Mervyn appears correct, there is a discrepancy between the spell casting times displayed by the UI and the actual spell casting times. I have not been able to reduce casting times as much as Mervyn in the original post, but I can reduce them by almost half.

Example - Lich Form:

With 0 FC, the .lua defines the displayed casting speed of Lich Form as 4 seconds. This is then passed to the in game UI (spellbook) - which is probably where Mariah got the values for the wiki, which would then also be incorrect.

FC is capped at 2 for Necromancy and therefore should yield a max 0.5s reduction. So, Lich Form should never be able to be cast faster than 3.5s, at least according to the UI.

However, with FC 2 and FCR 6 (to eliminate recovery time) you can cast Lich Form every 2 seconds.

This can be demonstrated with the Macro:
Lich Form
Delay 2.0
Lich Form

Lich Form will be successfully cast both times.

If the Delay is set to 1.75, the second Lich Form will not cast (at least for me).

This indicates to me that the base casting time (0 FC) for Lich Form is actually 2.5 seconds, not 4.0 seconds as displayed by the UI.

As I said, I cannot get the casting times as low as the OP, even with FC 2 and FCR 6 (to eliminate recovery times).

In summary, there does appear to be a display issue, by my results for base times are significantly different than the OP's.

Arroth_Thaiel · April 2021

@Seth

The first code block you posted does appear to be the base speeds. I'd be careful altering them unless you determine the base speeds yourself. I cannot reproduce what Mervyn posted.

The second code block you posted is from the Minimum Skill requirements, it won't (shouldn't) effect the casting speed display.

Seth · April 2021

Arroth_Thaiel said:

@ Seth

The first code block you posted does appear to be the base speeds. I'd be careful altering them unless you determine the base speeds yourself. I cannot reproduce what Mervyn posted.

The second code block you posted is from the Minimum Skill requirements, it won't (shouldn't) effect the casting speed display.

Yup, I used the second block to match the spell ID with the first.

Yoshi · April 2021

"I should point out, that 2 years ago i had this discussion with the wiki editor about listing the incorrect casting times on the wiki, she said she would need to verify the casting times with the dev team, i can only presume they did not respond to her,
I cannot guarantee 100% accuracy of the timings in the OP, however they are significantly more accurate than what is currently displayed."

Seth · April 2021

It should not be hard or time consuming for the Dev to reply this since delays directly coded, it does not require "testing".

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