Devs, to give thieves some love, why don't you make the ICE drops spawn in Dungeon Chests ?
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you make it seem like everytime a stealther gets revealed he's dead. Just run around a corner to break line of sight and hide.
Never be afraid to challenge the status quo
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I do not want to see being used Templates which would take forever to get a drop as compared to a Warrior, for example, that can get a drop way, but waaaay much faster....
I would like to see something else, in order to see game mechanics to appeal players more to use not just Warriors for their "besting" drop rate but at least a variety or more Templates (for example Tamers, Bards, Rogues etc.).... which it is, to have drop rate times be more "equalized" in between the various Templates possible for players to use for that Event.
Only in this way, I am convinced, players would feel sufficiently free to really use whatever Template they enjoy to play and use and not the one that "works the best" because the Event mechanics happen to award that particular Template of the best and fastest drop rate among all various Templates possible for that Event.
Average vs average.
Then, is a player is really good with their Warrior or with their Bard or Tamer or Rogue then can well get more drops in that X time, but on "average", all Templates intended to play a given Event should be given the same drop rate in the same X playing time, me thinks.
Excuse me??
Pretty sure they all have the same drop rate, some just kill faster than others. Drop rate is a very small percentage chance poops. You're now mixing up drop rate and killing time. Which you are too busy on here to get any killing done. Trolling looks bad on you poops. All templates have the same drop rate in x playing time, you just have to kill as many. Have a good day poops.
So for your Rogue, how many chests can you pick in an hour?
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Then I want to get the same amount of drops as everyone else does with my camping/taste id/Arms lore/ forensics/ begging/ animal herder.
This isn't fair if I I cant use what I want!
Never be afraid to challenge the status quo
The drop rate should NOT be the same because, as you said, the ability to "trigger" that drop is not the same among different Templates...
Let me explain myself better....
If the drop rate is only tied to a "kill", of course that those who kill faster will get more drops as compared to those who kill slower....
Now, if this was contained among players all playing the same Template, this would not be an issue because it would depend on players playing that same Template better and, thus, killing faster and thus getting more drops.
But when we address "different" Templates with a different ability and speed to kill, then it becomes clear that it is NOT possible, for different Templates, to tie the drop rate to a kill because then, this would create gross inequalities among players in their ability to get drops with different Templates.
And that is where I am saying that the drop rate should be "different" depending on the Template with the Designed mechanics having the goal to produce for players the SAME amount of drops in the same amount of time for different Templates.
Let me make an example to further better clarify myself.
Let us assume that, a player playing a Sampire can, on average get 10 kills a minute (1 every 6 seconds) or 600 in an hour of gameplay.
In that 1 hour of gameplay the Sampire gets, let's say, 10 drops.
So, on average, the drop rate would be like 1 drop every 60 kills.
Now, let's take a Bard.
The Bard, let's assume, that he can only get 1 kill per minute or, 60 kills in an hour of gameplay.
So, the efficiency of the Bard in killing a MoB is 1/10th that of a Sampire.
Now, "if" the drop rate was tied to the number of kills (1 every 60 kills), in 1 hour of gameplay, the Bard, killing only 60 MoBs in 1 hour playing time, would only get 1 drop in that hour...
Now, THIS is what I see it as wrong.
The common denominator, to my opinion, should NOT be how many drop per kill BUT, rather, the SAME (o moreless same) number of drops in the same amount of playing time to equalize the different Templates and, thus, give to players freedom of choice of what Template they might want to play with.
So, in my example, to make it possible, to my opinion, for players to be freely able to play with whatever template, the mechanics for drops should be so that, if a Sampire had a drop rate of 1 drop every 60 kills, the Bard, instead, should have 1 drop every 6 kills.
This way, in the same 1 hour of game play, they would both moreless get those 10 drops only, the Sampire would have to kill 600 times while the Bard 60 times.... but in the end, it would take them that same 1 hour playing time since to Bards killing MoBs takes more time as compared to Sampires.
I hope that this time I was better able to explain myself and my argument.
Does not take a novel to write that.
Would Paragons or intense cold reveal the Rogue so that he/she would have to run away, not being able to self defend for lack of combat skills ?
Then this would greatly slow down the ability to open up chests thus greatly reducing the ability to loot them.
In such a case, the frequency to find drops in chests should be very high to compensate for that.
Also, what about the trap ?
Would having 100.0 Remove Trap make it possible to remove the trap and then open the chest while remaining hidden ?
Because, if the failure rate was to be high also at 100.0 and the failure had the trap go off revealing the Rogue and damaging him/her with spawn around that could then more easily kill him, this would farther slow down greatly the looting process...
Furthermore, "theoretically" having high Nijitsu, being an Elf, using the Shadow Mastery "should" make it possible to sustain more damage without getting revealed... would this work if a trap went off from failing to remove it and thus remain the Rogue hidden also from fails ?
This would also make a difference in the time that a Rogue could be able to open up dungeon chests and loot them....
So, it is extremely difficult to give you an answer without knowing what the related mechanics will be.
I am not saying that any and all Templates should be able to equally get drops, whether using Camping, Begging or a Mage using Mind Blast.... or whatever else....
But at least, there should be, to my opinion, "some" flexibility given to players to "at least" be able to use a number of Templates, say Bards, Tamers, Rogues, Spellcasters and some others while still being able to get the same amount of drops that Warriors get, even if their killing rate or dungeon chests' openings was to be slower as that of the Warriors.
This, because, I am convinced that, as long as players won't be able to get by using other Templates moreless the same amount of drops in the same playing time as Warriors may get, it is difficult that most players might want to use a Template that is not "as efficient" as a Warrior is, in getting drops, even though they would enjoy playing another Template more then a Warrior....
Blacksmith / tailor / carpenter should have a chance to get a drop when they're salvaging loots from treasure of mobs.
Artificer should have a chance to get a drop when they are unraveling loots from treasure of mobs.
Detective should have a chance to get a drop when using forensic evaluation on treasure of mob's corpse.
Treasure hunter should have a chance to get a drop when doing the treasure maps dropping from treasure of mobs.
Fisher should have a chance to get a drop when fishing in the dungeon when the event is activated.
Miner should have a chance to get a drop when mining in the dungeon or smelling the iron ore dropping from snow elemental when the event is activated.
No thanks.
As I said in my post here https://forum.uo.com/discussion/comment/50784/#Comment_50784 , trying to make such an extreme argument to prove my point as not valid has no ground, to my opinion.
As of now, it is Warriors, and ONLY Warriors who are the most effective Template for drops.
I am NOT advocate for using any and all Templates to be able to get drops likewise BUT, at the very least, to have a good number of viable and feasible Templates then YES, by all means I think should be possible to make the Event setting more viable and varied, with players being freely able to play different Templates, because they would not suffer a loss in drops in doing that.
My point being, why should it always be Warriors when it can "also" be Tamers, Bards, Rogues, Spellcasters and some other Templates who could participate to these Dynamic ToT Events without necessarily wanting to bring into the argument also skills like Camping, Begging, Taste ID and what not to reduce the validity of the argument of wanting more Templates besides Warriors as viable at these Events ?
Do the content for the skills you have, Beggers get a month of drops from begging. Crafters get BOD rewards year round.
Do the things your skills were made for.
And any warrior template can get drops if you can kill the easy mobs there. This is the 3rd time I have invited you to come to LS and look at all the templates having fun in Ice right now.
Ignorance is not a reason to ask for changes.
Sure, a player who only had a Tamer to play or a Bard would still be playing it.... the point I am making is an entire others which it is, that most players who have various Templates to play, with these Dynamic Tot Events seem to most always pick the Warrior rather then other Templates to play the Event....
And why is that ?
Because, apparently, the Events' mechanics seem to favour them making Warriors the "most efficient" Template to be used (i.e. to get most drops in the same given time...) as compared to other ones.
And, to my viewing, this should not be if we wanted to really give to players the freedom to use the Template of their choice and which they enjoy, and not the one that "works the best"....
Bards have issue with provo and devs are looking into it.
Rogues are being added into the to-do list thanks to your persistent effort.
I've proposed what it could be done for other templates and you're saying I'm too extreme.
We've covered all scenarios what else you still want to complain?
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