Pet only powerscrolls
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making people sink gold into a pet is not a bad thing. if you want something powerfull it should cost you gold if not time and effort.
its player choice to min/max pets by having 8 of them not a requirement. consider it a luxury tax.
Scrolls for pets are a good gold sink while at the same time gathering the right jewel from Roof can fetch enough gold to fully scroll a pet or two.
The entitlement era is rapidly gaining momentum in this game. Hopefully the team shuts it down swiftly.
Please make the Grizzled Mare a 5 slot mount, it's incredibly rare and deserves it. Some of us have been waiting a long time for this simple addition.
They disappear when used so they can be considered part of the sink along with resources, ingredients and the sort.
Only gold changing hands from the hands of the Tamer who grinded to no end to put that gold together, into the hands of the player who sold the Powerscroll at such high prices thanking to a handfull of players having cornered their Market and holding their Monopoly so tight....
The gold stays it all in the game, goes nowhere, only changes plyers' hands....
Allow me to tell you about my Friday. I did a hag's quest which got me a Hoard map.When I dug it up I got 2 frost dragons. I got my t hunter safe and sent my stealth herder to move them away a bit. Changed char back and completed the map. My tamer then went and tamed both frosts, but died a few times in the process. To re-build my sacrifice virtue I took my fire crimson to Demon temple to farm fame, which got me a further Cache map (fel of course) I dug that and got a Hoard map, dug that and got a trove map, dug that and got another frost dragon, which I again tamed, but died a couple of times on the way - back to Demon Temple, gained another Cache map. Here I go around again. Getting Fel maps isn't hard - oh and I've got a some +10 mage and eval scrolls set aside now for the planned pets of the char I'm re-skilling to be another tamer.
but still my point remains the same. sinking gold into pets is not a bad thing. iv already explained why i dont feel i need to do it again.
Imagine if every pvp player start complain (my pvp char can't solo roof and get a cameo, make a way i can kill roof with my pvp and get cameo by my own)
That don't make sense.
Pvp char can't play without roof arties, but all tamers can play at a good level without +20 scrolls so where's the real problem (in that perspective?)
if you want scrolls do 1 roof you have 30% of chance in get an arty and half of arties worth more then most of the 120 scrolls, and you can do a roof run in 40 min, looks like the same time of a hard spawn, with 0% chance of raid.
If a pvp player want a roof arty he will need search help of a tammer, so why cant a tammer search the help of a pvp player ? again that don't make sense.
@the_higgs_1 and @arielhardy ; - fantastic points, and all pointing back to the interlinking and balance of the game between roles and templates.
PvPers with their suits have it every bit as hard as tamers with pet scrolls - if not worse, but you don't see us non stop complaining about it. We just get on and do what has to be done, we team, we link up, we farm that damn Roof in Trammel...
"oh its 12 mod, game don't drop anymore"
OK
And a tunic like this? you can scroll some pets without problem with roof loot, but a chance to a pvp guy to farm 1p+ in scrolls to buy 1 suit piece at time will take ages too, and remember, a pvp guy can kill another pvp guy, but a pvm can always farm free.
@arielhardy That shield is insanely the best shield I've ever seen, I'm after one like that right at the moment lol.
I'd slaughter an entire stable of fully trained scrolled pets for that shield.
Cheers MissE
EDIT: Nevermind. I can't even cut and paste a picture from paint on this stupid forum. So I can't show a picture.
It is nigh to impossible to bind 110s from Treasure Maps to get 120s as it would take FOREVER to get all of the same exact ones one hundred and twenty 110s needed to make a 120, it would simply take way too many Treasure Maps to be digged up and Treasure Maps have only a 1% chance to spawn as loot on Monsters.
As I said, it was a step in the right direction towards making it available an alternate source for Powerscrolls other then the Champion Spawns but it fall too short, to my opinion....
It should have been Powerscrolls spawning up to 115s in ALL Facets with a rare chance at seeing also 120s spawn in Hoard or Trove Treasure Maps in Felucca.
THEN, it would have become more feasible to get 120s in an alternate way to Champion Spawns and thus break the Monopoly that forces their prices way too high because only a few players are able to corner their Market....
That is at least how I see it.
Again, our PVP friends are trying to make the case that the system is working perfectly as-is while the rest of us are trying to explain that tying an endgame mechanic behind a system prone to griefing is really problematic. It just doesn't make for a meaningful, fun experience.
Everyone has a different idea of what 'the' version of Ultima Online is. That people are still trying to litigate the Trammel vs Felucca/risk vs reward model twenty years later is, in my view, short-sighted. The game has evolved so much since then.
I think the reasonable compromise is pet scrolls. It gives us a new mechanic to explore, maintains the status quo of high-end powerscrolls available from spawns, and brings the pressure down on the price of player powerscrolls.
Your bias is showing, and that is one of the biggest problems to having a productive conversation... Killing someone at a champ spawn is not griefing... Players competing over powerscrolls is the intended mechanic. The fact that some players do not enjoy that mechanic is not evidence that it is broken. There are players who do find that competing for powerscrolls makes for a "meaningful, fun experience" (as much as one can say that about anything in UO). Those players do not deserve to have the content they enjoy destroyed simply because others do not enjoy the content or because of other players greed over the reward for that content. Consider for a minute this alternative... how about we add powerscrolls to tram and move ALL other drops to Fel. Then you can get every powerscroll you ever wanted by farming spawns non-stop. Do you think that would resolve the issue? No. It isn't about what the reward is... its that people want it with no risk. I am sorry, but I think there should be some desirable rewards for players who are willing to take the risk of fel to acquire it.
and ps's arent really a reward for pvp i dont think. for pvpers its not really about the reward like it is for pvmers. just something fun-ish to do. so the argument about you need to be lured to fel isnt really a thing for most people. on the other hand tho people are indeed lured to trammel if you want to spin it that way. who would do any of that content for nothing? nobody. needing to revamp old content/artifacts proves this. its dead content because its not worth anything, thus not really being a reward. so people dont really do it
Just because killing other players doesn't fit your definition of griefing doesn't change the fact that to many people getting res-killed over and over while trying for that slim chance of a good powerscroll IS griefing. Getting locked out of end game content because of player-killers is a bad mechanic whether it was intended by the developers or not.
Your example and central argument seems be a zero-sum game, it does not need to be. Changing the game to make a better experience for everyone does not inherently mean your preferred play-style will suffer. Pet scrolls would be a good compromise.
Many of us believe the system does not work. Many of our PVP friends in this thread believe the status-quo should not be changed. A compromise can be found between both positions. But saying that the topic isn't worthy of discussion or that we should just 'get over it' doesn't help the game.
2. A dragon can res kill a player just as easy as a player can. Getting res-killed is often more about the player getting ressed in a vulnerable position rather than about who/what is doing the killing. Regardless of whether its a mob or a player, getting killed or reskilled is not griefing even if you find it distasteful. If you don't believe, me... go to a Siege EM event and watch all the players die over and over and over to mobs... then tell me how the mobs are griefing the pvpers.
3. No one has made a single argument about how the system doesn't work... the only argument is that you don't like it. There is a HUGE difference in something not working and not liking something.
4. 120 powerscrolls are hard to come by, regardless of if you get them from T-maps or from spawns. Thinking that the only powerscrolls that you can use on a pet are 120s is also foolish. IMO, the powerscroll market does not need changes, either in ease of getting 120s or in making pet specific powerscrolls. Few things in UO have held their value over the years as well as powerscrolls specifically because of how the powerscroll market works. I believe they represent a superior economic model compared to the endlessly increasing powercreep that so much of the other rewards in UO follow. And this is coming from someone who doesn't buy or sell powerscrolls. I take the risk in fel to get the ones I need. Extras I save for a rainy day or give to guildies who need them.
Not to mention, the trash talking and other abusive language that sometimes one bumping in PvP gets to face...
Why the hell, if I may ask, anyone wanting to play a GAME to relax from work, school and what not should need to risk subject themselves to cheaters and players using abusive language because they need Powerscrolls for their pets or even their characters and this only because there is no other alternate way that they can get them without having to risk bumping into hackers, cheaters or what not or have to see derogative language pop up on their screen ?
The key word here, is GAME, some people could not care less about being competitive, they only want to RELAX at their keyboard and do something they can enjoy for that half an hour or hour that they may have of playing time....
Some people enjoy fighting others ? Cool !
Why do you need an EXCUSE to fight others ?
You enjoy fighting ? Go for it !
There is NO NEED, to my opinion, to have an excuse for something to fight over with "if" the one enjoyment is THE fight versus another player....
If one enjoys PvP, they would PvP whether or not there is Powercrolls or anything else to fight over for.
Personally, I disagree with a Design that uses items as "baits" to bring players to then become targets to fellow players....
PvP, I think, should be played by those who enjoy it and regardless whether or not there is anything to win over for..... what the heck, the win is having won over a fellow player, right ?
That is what "competition" is all about as I understand....
So, Powerscrolls or ANY other item for that matter, could be well left OUT of PvP, entirely, and let PvP those players who REALLY want it.... not over items, but over who is the best player....
Like when people go fight in the Arena.....
Do they do it to win anything ? Nope, as I understand it....
They just do it for the sake of PvP, to show themselves and to others who is the better fighter....
That is what PvP land should be, to my opinion, a place where people fight for the sake of it, not to take items away from fellow players, corner a market, create a Monopoly and thus become able to gouge prices up at their free will for those items.
That is at least the way I see it.
and popps. every post you ever make starts with something about cheaters/scripters. please stop. its very sad. your opinions are your own but it makes you seem sad and salty when every post mentions it.