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you understand this game rose to popularity without trammel yes? you understand that this game hemoraged players with the advent of age of shadows yes? you can like what you like but dont let your personal bias blind you to the facts.
im not sure you can actually find sub numbers for the time frame. but i personally know of entire pvp guilds that quit the days and weeks after age of shadows. this wasnt an isolated incident there was a sharp decline on most servers
If playing in NPC armor is so popular, why are there not guilds that do it?
Look at the population charts.
that npc armor thing makes no sense. and brings me to the conclusion you never really played much back in the day if you think it was all just an npc armor thing that made the game good. you cannot replicate pre aos pvp by wearing npc armor. the mechanics are not the same.
and that is fine you didnt play in it but your arguments are completely bias. i want you to realize this, you cant just say "take fel out because i dont like it so that means the entire playerbase dosnt like it either" just like i cant say "take tram out because i dont like it and everyone i know dosnt like it either"
so if you lose 50% of the playerbase and get 20% to come back and "stay" because the shards are so populated now..... is that a net positive for the game? i know people to this day that still pay for accounts to keep houses in a game they most likely will never log into.
where are these population numbers you speak of i would really like to see them. by the sounds of it they are completely fabricated numbers. and its very hard to get an accurate number. because imo 1 player with 5 active subs to multibox should not be reflected in this number which im sure it is.
I'd be fine with them lowering the amount of scrolls for binders. Seems like a compromise to me.
I saw many returning players come back and do a champ spawn only to be PKed over and over before they completed the spawn. Then they never returned. Reminds me of the good ole days... Wasted opportunity to get more players during the pandemic.
Time to change!
Ok, yesterday, I used about 50 scroll binders, and put together say another 5 x 120's. These things don't happen overnight, but they are part of the playstyle. This is just a nice little bonus along the way. So again, I don't believe scroll binders are useless, and I bought them off some crafter, who benefitted.
Norry, Xris, Merus, DrIndeth, yep, completely agreeing with your posts, that's how I see it, it's how anyone who actually goes out to play and experiences it see's it.
Fan dancers is a very popular location for these kinds of drops... and it's in .... wait for it...
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TRAM... go figure.
see.... a brick wall.
my numbers were made up as an example. you never gave me any numbers so i was talking about whatever site you got the information from not you...
im just trying to get you to realize just because pawain thinks it does not mean its what everyone wants and should be done immediatly. you get so defensive when someone does not agree with you 100%. its wierd dude.
and if someone quit because they went to fel and got pked.... that is sad for their character, mabey you should have talked them into how great tram is and that they would not get pked instead of just watching them get pked over and over until they quit. perhaps you should have taught them how to make gold in tram and buy the things they need like a normal person.
it all comes down to some ppl have fun in a sandbox pvp world some people dont and thats ok. the beuty of this game is you dont have to participate if you dont want. you can put a little effort into something else and still get the stuff from there. not every single thing in the game has to be attainable by every single player. it is ok to have to rely on other people for the things you cannot get yourself. thats part of an mmo.... but to just say "this should be in tram because we cant easily farm it uncontested" its a fine opinion i guess but in my mind its completely unreasonable
question to both sides
can you see any compromise
take a moment to think about what could help each other out some middle ground
This has been a hot topic many times
example only
maybe allow 110s in tram 115 from tmaps in fel
105 drop in mid level monsters both fel and tram
honestly I feel pet ps should have been added right out the gate with pet revamp and dropped all ps on both facets
Maybe you do not understand that thousands of People have stopped playing UO because some jerk forcibly extends their play style to them.
All we ask for is a switch. Let us fight Monsters in Fel without somebody harassing us.
But yall have to change the subject because you know that few people actually want un consensual PvP. Fact. No numbers needed.
Our PVP friends seem to want to maintain the status quo. That's fine, they're trying to hang on to their gameplay style.
Our PVM friends are trying to make the case that the system doesn't work. And I mean -the system- here as in the gameplay mechanic around obtaining powerscrolls not the personal choice of playing in Felucca or not.
Expanding the pet training system by adding those scrolls either in Trammel chests or in some fun new mechanic does a few things:
there has to be a better reason than just "i cant farm it without people killing me" thats rediculous
and you are the only one who keeps bringing up numbers...... thousands guy? really? plz.
Personally I would jump to one of those shards immediately like I did when Trammel was created.
This used to be my idea, you will see many of my posts in the past trying to go for this - although I think you wrote this incorrectly? No PvP? The Felucca facet would have everything, PvM, PvP, Crafting, the entire gameplay, that's the point, complete balance and interlinking gameplay.
Everyone I know, is only going one place
You wouldn't even notice or miss the rest.
Name the 2 busiest shards? Name which 2 shards the pvpers are on... Oh, coincidence or not?
Check this out .......... https://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/RaphKoster/20180627/320893/A_brief_history_of_murder_in_Ultima_Online.php
Please, note where it is mentioned ".....but there is no question that the userbase doubled once this went in......"
So, like it or not, to my understanding, it is a FACT that the creation of Trammel helped Ultima Online to stay alive and thrive, because player killing was alienating players to play the game and, thus, severely endangering Ultima Online's ability to gather resources through subscriptions to pay for the necessary upkeep and enhancements.
Trammel was most likely, to my opinion, the very best thing to happen to Ultima Online and if it was not for it, UO would have ceased to exist long ago, since player killing drives more players away from playing the game, as it might attract players to the game....
Unfortunately, that I have seen, no Developer so far has been able to find really effective ways and mechanics to contain players' killing in ways other then having a facet like Trammel to exist...
Personally, I blame it to the fact that cheating, hacking and the use of Third Party programs in PvP was not aggressively countered from early on..... perhaps, had we seen effective ways to track down all cheating in UO and ban those accounts and those other account benefitting from the cheating accounts, PvP in UO could have been more tolerable and manageable....
Not getting rid for good of Ghost and Hidden EJs Cams is also something else which has highly controbuted, to my opinion, to keep Felucca facets and spaws oretty much void of players....
At least, that is how I see it.
Popps, we have seen that so many times, it's so factually incorrect it's really boring, please stop rolling it out all the time. There were so many other external factors at that exact point in time. UO was growing massively, just because of it's prior reputation, the fact Trammel came in at the same time, was coincidence. This is the problem with Theory-crafters like yourself, you were never there to see it, witness it, feel it, understand it.
What is really really obvious to everyone, is if you create Easymode and Hardmode, and give Easymode absolutely everything, the whole playerbase is going to go to Easymode - it had nothing to do with PvP! All PvPers are, are enhanced AI - that is the only way you need to see them, you can dehumanise them. Easymode is what ruined the game completely, and everyones failure to see this. It's very much like saying to a working age population - you can work for your money, or just be given it all via benefits - absolutely no penalty. 80% of people, would chose to receive the benefits and not work. But it would destroy the society in terms of progression, and mental attitude. They would be so weak minded. The comparison is so obvious, you lot astound me with your blindness and ignorance.
Now if they had separated Easymode, and Hardmode, this may have been ok, to be fair to them, they could not have envisioned this 20 years ago how this would go. But they maintained a link between the modes, and allowed everyone to farm the hell out of Easymode, and use it all to destroy the quality of Hardmode.
They needed to have the guts to stick with their original vision.
I know what you meant Tim, but your sentence lead to the opposite interpretation.
"The Fel facet still has champ spawns that drop 120 scrolls but there is no PvP to worry about."
So for the record, yes, I would be ok with your intended concept. A complete Trammel facet or facets that cannot interact with Felucca, and complete Felucca facets with the entire gaming map, under the current gameplay rules.