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General question about animal training (especially special moves)

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  • PawainPawain Posts: 11,627
    This is from 2019 but nothing has changed.

    https://community.stratics.com/threads/triton-builds.409087/

    Popps is there talking about his Triton.  I wonder why he is not using it on nests.
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  • PawainPawain Posts: 11,627
    edited 3:37AM
    Ahua said:
    ok will do! how do I get to test center with my character? its free?
    Help  Character Copy.

    All your items on you and in bank go, all your stable.  

    Take anything you want to test.



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  • AhuaAhua Posts: 86
    so nice, and it will have my pets in stable and all? very cool
  • AhuaAhua Posts: 86
    Erm its kind of scary... talk about missing items... is it a copy or will it transfer my character and I risk losing stuff? not all my pets are in the transfer box too.

    Some of my items missing as well ?


  • PawainPawain Posts: 11,627
    edited 4:32AM
    It copies.  You cant lose anything.   You stay on your shard.

    Log into TC1 after.
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  • PawainPawain Posts: 11,627
    I found my sheet of different Triton Builds I made on TC.

    Healing does not count.  All of these combinations fit the rules.


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  • AhuaAhua Posts: 86
    very nice thank you for this precious info!
  • poppspopps Posts: 4,377
    edited 7:53AM
    Pawain said:
    This is from 2019 but nothing has changed.

    https://community.stratics.com/threads/triton-builds.409087/

    Popps is there talking about his Triton.  I wonder why he is not using it on nests.
    There have been a "few" pets past the Triton... maybe, just maybe, there might be better bets to deal with the Nest Maps spawn, particularly the Massive Maps ?

    Or, if I may ask, does the Triton (which build ?) still beat any other pet when it comes to Massive Nest Maps spawn ?

    The key issue being, as to which pet can not just kill the Massive Nest Maps spawn, but do it also faster, considering that the 1 hour span for the Luck Statue and Luck Clock goes away quite fastly, even if one has all of the spots pre-marked for faster recall to (and also considering that Ilshenar spots cannot be marked nor recalled to).
  • PawainPawain Posts: 11,627
    edited 8:00AM
    popps said:
    Pawain said:
    This is from 2019 but nothing has changed.

    https://community.stratics.com/threads/triton-builds.409087/

    Popps is there talking about his Triton.  I wonder why he is not using it on nests.
    There have been a "few" pets past the Triton... maybe, just maybe, there might be better bets to deal with the Nest Maps spawn, particularly the Massive Maps ?

    Or, if I may ask, does the Triton (which build ?) still beat any other pet when it comes to Massive Nest Maps spawn ?

    The key issue being, as to which pet can not just kill the Massive Nest Maps spawn, but do it also faster, considering that the 1 hour span for the Luck Statue and Luck Clock goes away quite fastly, even if one has all of the spots pre-marked for faster recall to (and also considering that Ilshenar spots cannot be marked nor recalled to).

    I told you to post lore sheets of the mobs at the nests, did you?

    How else would you determine which pet to use if you do not know the resistances and damage of your targets?

    Some of your Qs are just whining, so you know the answer. 

    We already went over, what is best, Luck or amount/time.   YOU have to balance that with YOUR play skills and decisions.

    We play UO because even when we are doing the same thing, there are many ways to do it. 
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  • poppspopps Posts: 4,377
    edited 8:01AM
    Pawain said:
    I found my sheet of different Triton Builds I made on TC.

    Healing does not count.  All of these combinations fit the rules.



    I see that the 3rd build of the first row is quite packed having

    Whirlwind Attack
    Bushido
    Armor Ignore
    Frenzied Whirlwind
    Explosive Goo
    Healing

    Do you by any chance remember what was the intensity rating of this Triton (i.e. how many training points you had to play with) and in the end what you had to sacrifice in order to pick those many options ? Also, do those options need to be picked in a special order so as to be able to have them all ?
    Did you in the end actually make this build and how has this Triton performed at Hunts ?
    Do you use it just for some particular Hunts or does it do well at any Hunt ?

    Thanks.
  • Victim_Of_SiegeVictim_Of_Siege Posts: 2,575
     
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  • MariahMariah Posts: 3,661Moderator
    Ahua said:
    ok will do! how do I get to test center with my character? its free?
    :s

  • UrgeUrge Posts: 1,402
    Ahua said:
    Ok please knowledgeable tamers help me here... I have gotten a triton finally and now I'm not having fun, I'm SCARED lol...

    I popped it in tokuno to have bushido

    See this is not fun LOL.

    Bushido is so so. I do get a good giggle when the pet uses evade.

    The chiv-ai pets are like players using samps. It just works. 

    2 of my tamers have discord so i'm perfectly happy just beefing stats and adding AI. I'm not overly excited about my pet taking a couple extra hits to kill something. 
  • PawainPawain Posts: 11,627
    edited 8:31PM
    @popps. What weapon specials do you use?  Why do you use those?

    A pet is no different. 

    What weapon damage type do you use on a specific mob.

    A pet is no different.

    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • AhuaAhua Posts: 86
    Don't worry Mariah ^^ lol... the fact I'm so exited about returning and I'm asking flying questions instead of verifying everything means I'm having fun exploring :)

    I always know I can google things, but that's time not playing and meeting new people! This is why I guess I asked people in game before coming here to share my feelings and questions.

    My experience can serve as a lowest common denominator of sorts. I was patient with UO back in the day, always loved its complexity, so I will be, if something confuses me, it means its confusing.

    But I'm not going to invent subjects and ask questions all the time, this one I took to heart and really wanted to discover organically because its so cool!!! But exactly as Urge said, I expected many to be "so-so" and I'm perfectly fine with it, again so are many of the tamers I talked to. It's just the broken part, that I wish the towncryer was yelling the solution to in all cities haha.

    But with patience, I will explain this knowledge to as much people as I can, will also ask: have you checked the official wiki? when I don't know the answer :)

    Besides, as always, nothing is set in stone, and upon some re-work or rebalancing, some pet classes might "just work" too.

    Thanks to you guys I did manage not to break the triton :) Far from so-so !!! it rivals my Cu I was happy about, but in huge crowds of mobs, he beats him like twice over.

    His stats are worse, way worse, so I can only attribute it to Bushido and Bladesweave. Which are both being used quite consistently (not broken). Took 90+ bushido to really start seeing some action however.

    Now, and I think I can say OUR problem now... is that there is no way to scroll those pets.

    I know Pawain said I could have a set of 110 for 10 millions on Atlantic, well JUST the tactics 110 is now over 10 millions... and it was like a million a month ago.

    All my savings from back in the day were sunk into two super broken pets, and I'm not in a better position.

    There is no offer... 7 millions for an anatomy scroll... healing? forget it... Parrying ? 6 millions for 110? forget it...

    I've even seen players sell 110 tactics for 100 millions on VS, I think they just predict they can leave it sitting there and one day (very soon) it will sell. And it just might.

    For normal players, it means maybe affording one lets say superior pet every few IRL years (not exaggerating) a lot of your players have no idea how to amass any respectable sum of gold... tried vendors, items don't sell, in fact people drop artifacts on the ground that are better than what I can get hunting, multiple times a day from the matriarch. When I find something cool and I'm like this is worth something like 100k maybe, I search and see it being sold for 1000 gold, because people undercut to get a chance at some gold.

    No wonder nothing sells, they're more common than regular items now.

    So I'd say this is a big problem, that I don't see how is going to get better.

    Two guildies that I convinced to re-sub (they were on EJ) have not logged back on since they calculated how much it would cost to make their build. It hits that hard... it means either begging, which some refuse to do, or grinding for a long, too long time. Or buying gold? which we cannot even buy directly from broadswords and at least feel good about supporting the game and devs.

    I already bought sovereigns multiple times, but I refuse to buy gold from players who clearly control the whole economy.

    Why? I see no sensible explanation to this kind of economics. The only people with added fun are those who hoarded those scrolls. I think they have enough fun already, time to stop the hemorrhage. 

    Most don't want to be given them either, they want to progress by their own efforts (and I understand this very well)... I meet more new and young players on a given day who completely refuse all help, tell me they love the grind. I respect that.

    I got them to pay a 6 month sub to this game... they should have an organic way to make their build (I'm excluding equipment)... just the character.

    When I find something cool, I don't think to sell it, I keep it for a returning player in my guild, because people playing is worth much more to me than just doing my thing. This is what I did with Pawain's uber artifacts, kept 2 for myself, rest was distributed to guild. It means much more to me that they feel like they can be a little better and still feel good progression than financing another fancy pet. But it only works for so long, until they hit that skill issue.

    Sure I know the arties were worth enough millions to scroll this pet (just one), but I don't feel good encouraging this price gouging, we'd love to hunt our own PS, even if its risky in Fel... but we can barely handle Valor spawn (lol) so this is not a possibility.

    Everyone, even the richest players I know are starting to feel this way (no way I'm paying 10 millions for a 110 tactics)... its not a small problem we can address later, this is actively discouraging players, new and old.

    Thank you for understanding my passion and sharing your wisdom.
  • PawainPawain Posts: 11,627
    edited 9:27PM
    Tactics was expensive before the revamp.  So it has been higher than the other melee.
    They were 10M when 97 was on Test Center.  The others were way cheaper so I bought only those. I couldn't afford 10M for a scroll.

    Prices from 2021 



    I bought all the cheap 110 tactics on Atl before pub 121, they were 3.5M. 
    Resist went up after the Revamp.
    They are in demand again because of the new pets. 

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