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Another Broken thing? - House Placement Tool – “Too Many Attempts” Message?

NikonUSNikonUS Posts: 62
in General Discussions

I noticed something strange today while trying to place a house. After just a couple of placement attempts, I started getting a red message saying:
“You’ve attempted to place a house too many times recently. Please try again later.”

Basically, I can try placing about 3 times before getting locked out. Then after waiting a bit, the message goes away, but it keeps coming back again after a few more tries. I’m even waiting 1–2 minutes between attempts, and it still happens.

I tested it on a second account, and it’s doing the same thing there too.
Has anyone else run into this recently?

Did they change the house placement cooldown rules?
Are we supposed to wait 3, 4, or even 5 minutes between placement attempts now?

I even waited 5 minutes once and was still getting the lockout message.
Can any of the devs please clarify what’s going on or if there’s a new system in place for house placement attempts?

Thanks in advance!






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  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,273
    edited October 18
    Pretty sure they did that to annoyed the bots (official response).. at the end the only person affected by that are legit users.

    I was using my two accounts; trying to place an optimize house.. such a pain in the ass, such a bad limitation for non illegal third party users.


    *puts tinfoil hat on* I'm pretty sure they knew that in advance, no way on earth they are that clueless and did not roll it back, if they were.. like they know who's third partying botting most of the house to RMT them and doing that??.. less competition for that affiliates real estate guy, or girl.. Way to obviously dumb to not be intended,  or i'm lost.

    PS: what ever they say, words gonna word (like that final warning they give him a few months ago, the producer legit call that person by name).. look at the results/facts.. a simple fact.. some person got ban from forum for calling him out and BS out; not doing anything against him and it's lucrative business.. meanwhile as legit, we multi account to place a solo, "worthless", house by our own.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

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  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 3,233
    Yes it's been this way awhile annoying legit players and failing miserably in it's intended purpose 
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,273
    edited October 18
    I wouldn't say failing miserably. It blocks the noobies looping a command.. the type of person that gonna pay good money to the non legit pro for that same house.

    Meanwhile, we (random legit) also paying their bills.


    From where I sit, It work as intended.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • GilliganGilligan Posts: 6
    Grimbeard said:
    Yes it's been this way awhile annoying legit players and failing miserably in it's intended purpose 
    actually its worse now I was trying to resize my house and after the 3rd failed attempt I got the cool down message and had to wait 5 mins to replace my house back and I was only using the tool about 1 min apart trying to figure out where best to replot house 
  • ForeverFunForeverFun Posts: 1,053

    House placement should use a "best fit" type approach.  Some would say it's always been a frustrating exercise.

    see link.

  • NikonUSNikonUS Posts: 62

    Can we all make a petition about this?


    @Kyronix, can you please stop making these kinds of changes that no one asked for, and that only make things harder for normal, everyday players?

    This new placement system is so frustrating — it’s worse than before, and there’s been no official explanation, no guide, no instructions on how it’s supposed to work now.

    Are we just supposed to give up and let the same people (“the nonono guy”) place all the houses while everyone else gets locked out?

    This really needs to be looked at, it’s not fair, and it’s ruining the housing experience for a lot of us.


    is it too early to ask @Mesanna to jump in and help?



  • KyronixKyronix Posts: 1,238Dev
    Thank you for the feedback.  If you could provide a video or screen grab of what you are attempting to do and what you are encountering that would be helpful in diagnosing what the issue is.  If you'd like you can upload it as unlisted to YouTube and send the link to uo@broadsword.com or DM me on discord.  
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,273
    edited October 18
    That response; it shows even more disconnect than the no risk vs reward heretic event.  :(

    Edit: It's the same problem as the anti botting measure. You help the pro cheaters, using third party, more than anything else.. While annoying legit users.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • PawainPawain Posts: 11,407
    So asking the users who are having problems to show them exactly what they are doing is helping cheaters?

    You have never worked on anything with intermittent or user error.  

    When I worked on Hospital equipment, I would come in and find a machine on the shelf with a tag that said,  Broken.  The equipment does 20 different things, which part is broken?  I'd perform safety tests and Preventive maintenance routine.  All 20 thing worked to spec, I returned to the department, Usually would never see that item for a long time.

    Or they would sent EKG transmitters with the broken tag and not tell you they pulled it out of the toilet.  You'd find out when you opened it and stinky water came out.

    I'd say 70% of the repairs I did were taking something apart and putting it back together and finding nothing wrong.  And the device does everything it was intended to do.  We had records, so we knew when things returned to the shop.  An old TI with an 8in? floppy disk.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • ForeverFunForeverFun Posts: 1,053
    Pawain said:
    You have never worked on anything with intermittent or user error.  


    Do you remember responding to the above linked thread?  See below.

    All Kyronix needs to do is create a blank test center shard, and try placing a castle, by memory at the south edge of ice island, as one example that comes to mind.  Observe a few castle placements on Atlantic, and try to reproduce those on a blank shard, by memory.

    It's a long standing problem trying to find exactly the right spots to place.


  • PawainPawain Posts: 11,407
    Yes, I admit I have never placed but one of my houses since probably 2015.  *except on a blank TC. Some nice person has placed all of my keeps and castles I currently own but my original.

    I can't even figure out where to stand!!!

    So, I think if you could explain your problem to a dummy house placer like me, and I can understand the issue,  the devs would surely understand.

    You also avoided a post from me.  I have worked in the electronics field and my current field for many years.  Those of us in that field help each other!  Im on a group chat in my industry, we give away clients and help each other be better in their professions. You have shown that you have tried to help, so I have not admonished you for that.

    My replies are mostly to the poster who has not logged on since last year.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • ForeverFunForeverFun Posts: 1,053
    edited October 18
    Pawain said:
    Yes, I admit I have never placed but one of my houses since probably 2015.  *except on a blank TC. Some nice person has placed all of my keeps and castles I currently own but my original.

    I can't even figure out where to stand!!!


    You also avoided a post from me. 

    My replies are mostly to the poster who has not logged on since last year.

    Feedback for you - why clutter a thread with stuff that may distract from a long standing issue?  Who cares who posted it and how often they play.

    I'll extend what I wrote above, in the context of another related (and long standing) complaint.  If something like the "best fit" was implemented, you may as well pick, randomly, ONE PLAYER amognst all the players on screen to take the placement attempt.  If there is only 1 player, they get the placement attempt.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,273
    @ForeverFun for forum "dean"

    Let's strip Paiwan 10k+ post and give it to foreverfun!

    Who's with me?  :*
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • __Psycoder___Psycoder_ Posts: 3

    IDOC's need to change... Severely. The safe guards against IDOC bots are hurting legit players more than IDOC scripters. 

    It is very well know that some IDOC scripters bring 60+ accounts to IDOC placement. There were videos of that in this forum as well. That 30 seconds wait time between attempts is only hurting the legit players. The scripters with 60+ account just sync their BOTs and attempt house placement with 500 ms delay in between. 

    With that being said, what about the following solution until the team implements a permanent IDOC solution.

    The good case, different locations and legit players:
    • House placement tool starts with 0ms wait time.
    • The server keeps track of last 30+ attempts and their location per player.
    • If the player is trying to place at different 40x40 areas then no penalty is given, they can keep trying


    The bad case, trying to place inside the same 40x40 area from one of the previous 30+ attempts.
    • For the first 5 attempts, there is no penalty. Someone might be trying to replace their house, etc..
    • After the first 5 uses, the wait time between attempts increases by 2x + rand(3000ms)
    • So at 6th attempt they have to wait 0 + rand(3000ms)
    • At 7th attempt they have to wait say ~6000ms + rand(3000ms)
    • At 8th attempt they have to wait say ~12000ms + rand(3000ms)
    • ...
    • The wait time is not shared with the users. So they can't sync their bots. 
    • This wait time between attempts are reset during the server down.

    1. We need some randomness that is not exposed to the players. This way scripters cant sync their bots using the system clock like they are doing right now. 
    2. The system will catch if they are trying to place an idoc because of the saved 30+ attempts at the same 40x40 area. 
    This is what I came up with in the last 15 minutes. You are welcome to find the short comings and improve as you see fit. 




  • Victim_Of_SiegeVictim_Of_Siege Posts: 2,515
    Kyronix said:
    Thank you for the feedback.  If you could provide a video or screen grab of what you are attempting to do and what you are encountering that would be helpful in diagnosing what the issue is.  If you'd like you can upload it as unlisted to YouTube and send the link to uo@ broadsword.com or DM me on discord.  
    The biggest issue is that we are having to wait about 2 minutes between placement attempts if the house doesn't fit. other than that, i have no issue with how it works. I know on NL if I missed the first atempt, it would take me 20 minutes or longer to place a house and I lost a couple of spots that i wanted, that I could have placed in if i wasn't waiting between attempts. 
    A Goblin, a Gargoyle, and a Drow walk into a bar . . .

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  • RockoRocko Posts: 234
    __Psycoder_ said:

    ....It is very well know that some IDOC scripters bring 60+ accounts to IDOC placement.... 



    Sorry, what?  Someone pays for 60 accounts?  (I find this curious, not saying you are wrong).  So, either they have expendable cash or they make enough RL money from the game to pay for those accounts.  Maybe both?
    Former content creator for UO Stratics.
  • __Psycoder___Psycoder_ Posts: 3
    edited 1:26PM
    Rocko said:

    ....It is very well know that some IDOC scripters bring 60+ accounts to IDOC placement.... 



    Sorry, what?  Someone pays for 60 accounts?  (I find this curious, not saying you are wrong).  So, either they have expendable cash or they make enough RL money from the game to pay for those accounts.  Maybe both?

    Some power players have 100+ paid accounts that I know of. I have 30 paid accounts and 10+ ej. I think the least dedicated player in my guild has at least 4-5 accounts. You wont be able to fit much in a single house. 
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