Is Atlantic shard ready for a great influx of players?

psychopsycho Posts: 384
edited May 24 in General Discussions

In seven to nine months the New legacy shard implodes as originally designed, and the theory is that the players will then play on production shards.

Since theres one New legacy shard(atm) players would want the same ping and they probably want to play the most populated server aswell, that leaves us with Atlantic shard.

Is Atlantic shard ready for a great influx of players?

Items, Idocs, Housing, Lag, Quests etc.

The devs need to have plans for this,
if the premise of the statement is wrong, and there are few players on New Legacy, -or that will play production shard, there needs to be a question of why. keywords in that case would be lack of commercials, wrong design idea for a new shard, bug/implementation isues driving players away, or comepetition with other MMOs/ production shard in itself.

If the latter statement is true, that would leave us with status quo, which is Atlantic shard main hub while rest of the production shards are as previous 10years- less populated.

Open of input.

Comments

  • I call baloney on them going to Atlantic. I think you will see a lot of scouting and recruiting of those not from your main shard. New friendships and alliances forged on NL will carry over. People are going to  make decisions based on economy and available space and Atlantic fails on both counts. Most already have their pipeline to Atlantic, so adding more people there makes no sense. I know on my shard I in fact raised the idea of using NL for scouting and recruiting at a governor meeting for strengthen our population. Siege, in my opinion, could have greatly benefited from an influx.
  • mismis Posts: 333
    edited May 24
    psycho said:

    In seven to nine months the New legacy shard implodes as originally designed, and the theory is that the players will then play on production shards.

    (...)
    I don't want to make anyone feel bad with this comment, but I want to give my opinion.

    List sorted by ping according to my connection



    List ordered by full



    Both lists share one thing in common, that New Legacy is at the bottom of the list.

    To at least write something based on what I felt, today for the first time I entered New Legacy, I saw a closed map, where they force you to go where the programmer wants, I couldn't even go through some trees at the beginning of the screen, nor follow paths, I don't like that kind of games.



    This game becomes Ultima Online and I'll never set foot in this game again in my life.


    Given the results and the rejection I've seen upon interaction, in my opinion, if I were the one running this project, I see it as a clear waste of time, money and resources to spend a single euro/dollar or developer on the production of New Legacy.


    I repeat again, in my opinion, for my taste and without trying to offend anyone, it's a complete failure, because I don't like that kind of games.


    Others will love it and will spend many hours playing it, but for the kind of game I like, free world, this ‘closed world-map’ certainly doesn't fit for me.


    I think it's clear that people have already left New Legacy, as I showed above, New Legacy is the last one on the list, it's not occupied and with a ping so high that it's not even on the list, it's completely out of the question for me.


    If I were the one leading the development team I would focus on developing new maps, fixing all the bugs that exist in the game, which are a lot of bugs and pointless decorations lying around the world, revising all the old artefacts and boss rewards throughout the game according to the present.


    Example of many of the rubbish and meaningless decorations you can find in Sosaria, a meaningless mount of a deer in the water.

  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,836
    There is a small amount of any of new players they will go where their NL friends go which will be the shard they normally play before NL 
  • KazKaz Posts: 148
    Ah, the old “atlantic is the only option” schtick again.  The same old trope thats been touted for years ad nauseam that has led to overpopulation, a broken economy, mega scripting, housing shortage, inability to even do events due to amount of players etc etc etc.  

    i find it absolutely fascinating that people still push this narrative and even more so that people still refuse to branch out. 

    Ive personally met quite a few players on NL that have started on my home shard (Catskills) since joining.  
    People forge relationships that will send them were those new friendships are strongest and will thrive. 

    Per the NL “closed world” gameplay - its not for everyone true, it feels extremely restrictive compared to the essence of what we know UO to be.  I hope they open more aspects of the world as the shard progresses.   
  • Victim_Of_SiegeVictim_Of_Siege Posts: 2,379
    A Goblin, a Gargoyle, and a Drow walk into a bar . . .

    Never be afraid to challenge the status quo

  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,137
    edited May 24
    @psycho Good call.. in all the response i've seen none address the elephant in the room..

    As always we can read a lot of that magical thinking.. NL is FUN! it's for new players to join their friend on their main shard! it's a hub to meet new people to play with on dead shards! etc,etc..


    Now let's address the elephant in the room.. the bribe.. the only reason 95% of people would be playing a server like NL in the future.. This is logical to be scared that everyone and his mom would move stuff on ATL (to sale)

    Maybe @username fantasy gonna become reality; with bound on account.. cuz personally this is the most obvious and easy fix i'm seeing to the solution to make NL works.. a worthy bribe.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,137
    The old Ben was senile.. Go play KotOR, start with tatooine as your first planet.

    If you don't just watch this video to get my point: 
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • Victim_Of_SiegeVictim_Of_Siege Posts: 2,379
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    A Goblin, a Gargoyle, and a Drow walk into a bar . . .

    Never be afraid to challenge the status quo

  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,137
    edited May 24
    This is the irony of it, we talking about ATL and the potential wave of new "settlers".. the Tusken Raiders or "sand people" were hostile to settlers setting on their lands.. invading their territory.

    The bad guy here is Paul Atreides; aka Anakin skywalker... people that would move from NL to..  :*  



    The cute Jawa.. are the more "villainous" as the desert thieves.. and thieves are everywhere on UO, not only on ATL.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • LokeaLokea Posts: 143
    Kaz said:
    Ah, the old “atlantic is the only option” schtick again.  The same old trope thats been touted for years ad nauseam that has led to overpopulation, a broken economy, mega scripting, housing shortage, inability to even do events due to amount of players etc etc etc.  

    i find it absolutely fascinating that people still push this narrative and even more so that people still refuse to branch out. 
    Bingo.  I guess if you really want that 1999 experience of spending a ridiculous amount of gold on a small house in the year.....*checks notes* 2025, I guess go to Atlantic.

    If you want to place an 18x18 for the cost of 187,000 gold (or maybe even a keep depending on the shard adn facet), and have a better economic experience, then go elsewhere.

    I really hate this narrative of "go to Atlantic" and I see it way too often on other forums (including reddit). When I came back, we looked at Atlantic, and there are certainly great people there, and I play a little bit there, but ultimately, we settled on my original shard, which is probably a medium-population shard. I looked at smaller shards as well, and some open keep spots tempted me, but I wasn't going to spend a bunch of money to move everything between shards (nor was I going to wait the 4 or 5 months to get my vet shield award to do it for free).

    It's unfortunate, because new players in 2025 will be told to go to Atlantic, and they'll see ridiculous house prices out of their reach, a ridiculous economy, and probably either bail for another MMO, or at least a free shard.
  • mismis Posts: 333
    Lokea said:

    I really hate this narrative of "go to Atlantic" and I see it way too often on other forums (including reddit).

    Telling someone you see a particular shard is a mistake, because that shard may have a high ping and ruin their experience in the game.

    List sorted by ping regarding my connection


    In relation to my connection, Atlantic has so much ping that it doesn't even appear in the list, yesterday for example I entered Oceania, whose ping for me is 321 ms approx. and it was jump after jump moving the character, super slow, a very bad experience.

    The right thing to do would be to say, go to those shards whose ping with respect to your connection is the most favourable, sort the list by ping and if he's looking for it to be very populated, he can sort by ping and then by population. And decide based on that.


    List sorted by population (green dot), hourly red dot and ping blue dot.

    In this example, if someone is looking for a balance between ping and population, their best choice would be Europa shard.

    Whoever recommends you to go to a particular shard without considering this, it is because there are some underlying interests, such as filling a particular shard, but in reality they are not looking for the benefit of the player, but for their own personal benefit.

  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,137
    edited 6:37AM
    @mis are you asking for an EU NL server? i'm lost here.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • mismis Posts: 333
    KroDuK said:
    @ mis are you asking for an EU NL server? i'm lost here.

    No, I am explaining which shard each player should choose based on their connection, schedule and population.

  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,137
    edited 9:25AM
    mis said:
    psycho said:

    In seven to nine months the New legacy shard implodes as originally designed, and the theory is that the players will then play on production shards.

    (...)
    List sorted by ping according to my connection



    mis said:

    ... New Legacy is the last one on the list, it's not occupied and with a ping so high that it's not even on the list, it's completely out of the question for me.


    Then, what is the point of the second post.. if not asking for an EU NL shard?

    mis said:
    Lokea said:

    I really hate this narrative of "go to Atlantic" and I see it way too often on other forums (including reddit).

    Telling someone you see a particular shard is a mistake, because that shard may have a high ping and ruin their experience in the game.

    List sorted by ping regarding my connection


    In relation to my connection, Atlantic has so much ping that it doesn't even appear in the list, yesterday for example I entered Oceania, whose ping for me is 321 ms approx. and it was jump after jump moving the character, super slow, a very bad experience.

    The right thing to do would be to say, go to those shards whose ping with respect to your connection is the most favourable, sort the list by ping and if he's looking for it to be very populated, he can sort by ping and then by population. And decide based on that.


    List sorted by population (green dot), hourly red dot and ping blue dot.

    In this example, if someone is looking for a balance between ping and population, their best choice would be Europa shard.

    Whoever recommends you to go to a particular shard without considering this, it is because there are some underlying interests, such as filling a particular shard, but in reality they are not looking for the benefit of the player, but for their own personal benefit.


    PS: that dude u quoted in that second post.. is on topic but as always.. totally overlook the points people made like; moving on a shard to make good money with the bribe you extracted from NL.
    In his mind he's talking to a New Player extracting his brand new character from NL to go play on his first prodo shard.. that noob shouldn't focus on ATL. (he made his VERY own NICHE scenario, in his head, overlook everything that was said, to fabricated a perfect fairy tales storyline to fit his narrative)
    If more than 2% of the players extracting from NL are brand new, first timer UO players.. I would be shock! Pretty sure I got enough fingers to count those.


    In your case.. your point in your second post is totally unvalid.. as u stated in your first post. Since it's about extracting from NL.. Almost all the NA shards share the same ping (5-20 variation.. nothing you should care about.. they all low.)
    I have highlighted, in your second post, something very funny to me.


    As brand new players, only the rich can afford the travel from/to a vacation shard.. Sure not everyone play MMO cuz of the MMO.. some love their private shard with 40 players total.. or their solo online games.. nothing wrong with that.. but for the majority their best destination to extract from NL going to be ATL.. for obvious stated reasons.


    Edit: Just in case I will also state the obvious for NL Jpn.. they also have a wide variety of server to move to.. not sure about their population tho.. but yeah. You totally missing the theme on that second post.. you got short circuit by the fairy tales.. while doing what u denouncing.
    If we're not talking about extracting from NL, i'm not playing on ATL, and I would still recommend ATL to 95% of brand new NA players.. cuz of soo much stuff.. starting with the shard bound heresy.. almost non existant on dead shard if it is.. it's twice-thrice time more expensive than ATL. (very few offer)

    Enjoy your big empty house..
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • mismis Posts: 333
    KroDuK said:

    Then, what is the point of the second post.. if not asking for an EU NL shard?


    This is a response to user Lokea's message where he says that there are many people who recommend Atlantic to play.

    Then I explain that recommending a shrard, whatever it is without first checking ping quality, etc... is a mistake.

    Regarding to what you say about New Legacy, I looked at different time slots and in both New Legacy is at the bottom of the list ranked by population, I don't know why you (some) give so much importance to New Legacy, there is no interest or influx of players, it is, in my opinion, is a failed project.

    Something that lacks interest and population cannot be a competition for any other ordinary shard.

    As I said, allocating just one developer for New Legacy is a waste of money and time, that's how I see it.

  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,137
    mis said:
    KroDuK said:

    Then, what is the point of the second post.. if not asking for an EU NL shard?

    This is a response to user Lokea's message where he says that there are many people who recommend Atlantic to play.

    Then I explain that recommending a shard, whatever it is without first checking ping quality, etc... is a mistake.

    k.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • MariahMariah Posts: 3,465Moderator
    mis said:
    KroDuK said:

    Then, what is the point of the second post.. if not asking for an EU NL shard?


    This is a response to user Lokea's message where he says that there are many people who recommend Atlantic to play.

    Then I explain that recommending a shrard, whatever it is without first checking ping quality, etc... is a mistake.

    Regarding to what you say about New Legacy, I looked at different time slots and in both New Legacy is at the bottom of the list ranked by population, I don't know why you (some) give so much importance to New Legacy, there is no interest or influx of players, it is, in my opinion, is a failed project.

    Something that lacks interest and population cannot be a competition for any other ordinary shard.

    As I said, allocating just one developer for New Legacy is a waste of money and time, that's how I see it.


    I'm sorry, Mis, your theory is flawed. No US shards have shown a latency figure since the server migrations in January
  • mismis Posts: 333
    edited 12:13PM
    Mariah said:

    I'm sorry, Mis, your theory is flawed. No US shards have shown a latency figure since the server migrations in January

    I didn't know that information, thank you.



    In the future if the ping is shown (US shards), who is looking for a shard value the ping when selecting a shard.


    For new players who are not sure which shard to choose and the ping is not displayed:

    In shards where the ping is not shown, one way to detect if the ping is good or not, is because you can see some lag and jumps in the character when it is moving.


    If your character is slowing down it is a disadvantage and annoying, so I recommend looking for another shard if the problem is related to the ping (other causes, such as hardware problems, software, etc., are excluded).

    Once you have verified the ping by moving the character, if you are also looking for a shard that has many players, in the time slot you want to play the game, click on the % FULL (green) box and check the different options that appear.

    In case of also temporarily failing the %Full box like latency in the US shard, go with a character to different popular places like Luna's bank or Britain's bank, as well as use the internal game chat and interact to know the opinion of the players present.
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