New Legacy: Ranger, Subcalss and Advanced training

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• PlayerSkillFTW Posts: 625

  July 30

  Yeah, Tracking is just straight up useless as it is, both on live shards and on New Legacy Beta. The range for it to pick up an entity is way too short (just barely off your screen, even at GM Tracking), and the Tracking arrow updates too slowly (making it pretty crap for tracking stealthing players). It doesn't add any bonuses whatsoever to use either.
  
• Anukanaka Posts: 17

  July 30

  @Kyronix
  Could you please react somehow 
  
  Why we could have ranger-tamer-bard without Archery but with Tracking ? 
  Why we need tracking at all, skill cap is only 720, and we have to fill it with useless skills like tracking...
  
  Also there is question about advanced skill training for crafters, i was hoping to make a crafter with Lumber+Carpentry + BS + Mining + Tailoring and Inscript + Magery, 
  and what was my disappointment when I realized that the Inscript and Magery were not available to me.
  Could you add Inscription also to a Crafters Coalition, not only to Magery path 
  
  Also Lumber could be available to Fighter subclass, its nice to have it with swords and fight with axes 
  
  
  
  

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• Kyronix Posts: 1,200Dev

  August 3

  The idea behind core skills is to keep within the class archetype fantasy as you progress through New Legacy with your chosen path. We are monitoring feedback on the locked "core" skills and evaluating the system
• loop Posts: 425

  August 4 edited August 4

  Unless NL will launch with mechanics that make Tracking interesting, you should consider removing it, as it is mostly a useless skill. Additionally, Focus is not very useful, but maybe not terribly so in the context of NL, which has less overpowered items than the production shards.

  
  

  As a player who is not new to UO, I resented having both on my template and that I had no choice in the matter, but perhaps this will open up in later publishes.
  
• Garret Posts: 188

  August 4 edited August 4

  Focus is good it give u stamina and mana regeneration so u can keep press bard songs or weapon abilitys and also stamina regen so u can keep ur swing speed at max possible, focus is totaly fine but reason of tracking is anknown bcz for other clasess all skills work fine atleast as i know.
  
  P.S. Traking could be like this:
  1. Passive bonus 5% hit chance, 1% for 10% of skill above 50% (or even more just for example).
  2. Active bonus: activate tracking for 30 sec in cost of 15% of ur current mana (no upkeep) (or no mana just a guess about downsides for balance wise), each success hit put tracking mark on taget for 5sec (or 10s) and give 5% or 10% dmg modifier.

  Numbers are not insane but it something atleast and good for pvp and pve.
  
  @Kyronix @Bleak
• loop Posts: 425

  August 4

  Garret said:

  Focus is good it give u stamina and mana regeneration so u can keep press bard songs or weapon abilitys and also stamina regen so u can keep ur swing speed at max possible, focus is totaly fine but reason of tracking is anknown bcz for other clasess all skills work fine atleast as i know.
  
  P.S. Traking could be like this:
  1. Passive bonus 5% hit chance, 1% for 10% of skill above 50% (or even more just for example).
  2. Active bonus: activate tracking for 30 sec in cost of 15% of ur current mana (no upkeep) (or no mana just a guess about downsides for balance wise), each success hit put tracking mark on taget for 5sec (or 10s) and give 5% or 10% dmg modifier.

  Numbers are not insane but it something atleast and good for pvp and pve.
  
  @ Kyronix @ Bleak

  
  

  Not dissimilar from a certain free shard which made Tracking more useful, I gather.

  
  

  Adding combat-related mechanisms to Tracking would go along with the sort of "favored enemy" idea you see with Rangers archetypes across RPGs. For example, I am tracking enemies of type "Ogre". Therefore, I get bonuses against Ogres. There are a lot of opportunities for non-combat-related mechanics as well with NL that tie in with quests, etc.

  
  

  I guess if Tracking remains mostly useless maybe Hiding would be a decent alternative and could still fit within the Ranger archetype. Hiding can be handy as an archer by allowing you to run away and shed hate.
  
• Gyngersnap Posts: 14

  August 4

  Kyronix said:

  The idea behind core skills is to keep within the class archetype fantasy as you progress through New Legacy with your chosen path. We are monitoring feedback on the locked "core" skills and evaluating the system

  One of the things I love about UO is being able to change a character if I either don't like a skill or want to try something different. It is something most former players remember. You aren't stuck with a character you don't like and don't have to start over completely.
  
  For example: I started a warrior because I thought it would be easier and cheaper since I wouldn't have to buy reagents. The thought was that I would make some money and then switch to mage tamer when I was more established. Now I am being told that if I switch I can't change my stats so that wouldn't work. Someone new or returning may quit out of frustration. This is especially important since you only get 2 character slots. 
  
• PlayerSkillFTW Posts: 625

  August 10 edited August 10

  Kyronix said:

  The idea behind core skills is to keep within the class archetype fantasy as you progress through New Legacy with your chosen path. We are monitoring feedback on the locked "core" skills and evaluating the system

  
  

  In PvM, Tracking should give an "Enemy of One" or "Honor" damage-modifier like effect. Similar to the "Favored Enemy" mechanic that Rangers get in D&D. Maybe even a 5-10% Critical Chance on hits (ignores all resists, which Lightning Strike can sometimes do) on production shards, since most players are hitting the 300% Damage Modifier cap on prodo shards.
  

  
  

  For PvP, having an enemy Tracked, should make it to where if Revealed, they are unable to re-hide by any means (Hiding, Smoke/Egg Bomb, Invis Pot/Turkey Feather, maybe an exception for Shadow Strike) for at least 10 seconds. This means that if a Stealther is tracked and revealed, his only option is to fight or run. "You can run, but you can't hide".

  Currently, if you have a Stealther tracked (which the tracking arrow oftentimes lags behind their actual position), and reveal them, they'll just re-hide immediately before you can do anything to them. Then you're left with a 10 sec CD on your Detect Hidden skill, or re-casting Reveal.
  
• LilyGrace Posts: 991

  August 25

  Anukanaka said:

  @ Kyronix
  Could you please react somehow 
  
  Why we could have ranger-tamer-bard without Archery but with Tracking ? 
  Why we need tracking at all, skill cap is only 720, and we have to fill it with useless skills like tracking...
  
  Also there is question about advanced skill training for crafters, i was hoping to make a crafter with Lumber+Carpentry + BS + Mining + Tailoring and Inscript + Magery, 
  and what was my disappointment when I realized that the Inscript and Magery were not available to me.
  Could you add Inscription also to a Crafters Coalition, not only to Magery path 
  
  Also Lumber could be available to Fighter subclass, its nice to have it with swords and fight with axes 
  
  
  
  

  
  

  Kyronix said:

  The idea behind core skills is to keep within the class archetype fantasy as you progress through New Legacy with your chosen path. We are monitoring feedback on the locked "core" skills and evaluating the system

  
  

  I came to look specifically for why a crafter can't learn magery and I did find this but now someone has to explain it to me like I'm 5 because I still don't get why.

  
  

  Why can't I have a tailor / lumberjack / carpenter that can use fireballs to kill cows for leather and can recall to where I need to go to gather resources?
  
• Pinochle Posts: 39

  August 25

  Just a note, I WAS able to switch my tailor/carpenter/blacksmith/alchemist(50) from a swordsman to an archer with a Thunder Casting Bow, and out in the open, he is a lot of fun.
• Hippo Posts: 316

  August 26

  Archer makes sense with a Crafter build. You can make your own ammo any time you run out. I wonder though if the primary skills of swordsmanship and lumberjacking combine for more damage like they do on prodo shards...
  
  Pinochle said:

  Just a note, I WAS able to switch my tailor/carpenter/blacksmith/alchemist(50) from a swordsman to an archer with a Thunder Casting Bow, and out in the open, he is a lot of fun.
• Pinochle Posts: 39

  August 26

  Trhoughout the Ranger quest line, (but you have to actually read the RPG dribble that slowly drags out as you do the quests) is a reference as to how you are able to use your Tracking Ability to find which direction to go, or follow which path in the Hedge Maze to lead where you need to go. So I can see why Tracking is a core skill, because the quest line would be foolish sprouting on about how your tracking is saving the day, if you did not actually have tracking. However, changing Tracking from a core skill to an RPG description of the Ranger Class (they combined tinkering and blacksmithing, they combined carpentry with fletching, just take it a wee bit farther and combine Tracking in title for RPG only with the Quivers Rangers get.
  
  Also, the snide remarks about changing Tracking to a functional skill adjusted by a dreaded free shard (first I have heard of it, really) just reminds me of the BLACK CLOTHING DYE (same influence adopted by the real game) OR the SUNGLASSES (also same influence adopted by the real game) There may be more, I sleep a lot, but changing the production shards with improvements demonstrated from outside sources is not an original thought, they have done it before, perhaps it IS time to do it again, at least consider it.
  
  Oh, and please fix my Ranger standing at the rear of the boat paralized and unable to get to the captain and tell him how we killed the Orc Champion, With only two charaacters, and one stuck in limbo waiting for a fix (ok that is a lie, I have two paid accounts so really have four slots, but this problem is not for me alone, there are others stuck on the ship unable to move) Maybe use a tracking RPG workaround?
  
  Using my tracking ability I deftly dodge the obsticles in my path and find my way through to the captain to anounce our success and finally get off this ship and go home !!!