Did you know: Saying 'Hi' trumps the TOS

The following actions are against the Terms of Service. If caught doing any of these could result in action against your account. 24 hour bans or even account termination.


* Classic Client macro with paper jammed in keyboard while away from keyboard allowing actions 24/7

* UOAssist macro used with another program to "infinit Loop" 24/7

* Classic Client used with a full scripting app to fully automate anything 24/7

* Third party client with full scripting to fully automate anything 24/7

* Third party client with full scripting to fully automate multiple accounts at once 24/7


But did you know...

Simply saying 'Hi' to a GM if questioned somehow makes everything ok.

Don't take my word for it. Go ask the bots running 24/7 in the Atlantic Solen hive tunnels. They have been paged on for days but must keep saying 'Hi!' They wont say Hi to you though, they only respond to their GM buddies.

That's it for today kids. Go hit play and enjoy UO!

Comments

  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,308
    How many years have I been telling you these players are attended?

    They don't say Hi, the GM asks a specific question.  Can range from how are you today to some other ice breaker.  Maybe a simple math question.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • usernameusername Posts: 960
    The following actions are against the Terms of Service. If caught doing any of these could result in action against your account. 24 hour bans or even account termination.
    Friend in Discord paged on a dozen of the bots last night on Atl. Got a infraction for 'help queue abuse'  :D They truly are invincible. 
    This discussion has been closed.

    I will be slow to reply because I cannot log in/stay logged in to the forums.
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  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,308
    username said:
    The following actions are against the Terms of Service. If caught doing any of these could result in action against your account. 24 hour bans or even account termination.
    Friend in Discord paged on a dozen of the bots last night on Atl. Got a infraction for 'help queue abuse'  :D They truly are invincible. 
    Yup, harassing attended players will do that.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • Pawain, I know you have been saying that for years. There are honest players that have awesome macros using legal clients that are awesome at playing UO. I've been playing long enough to know that. I like to think I am one of them. I'm not talking about them. They are in most cases no where as efficient as the BOTS I'm posting about. These BOTS are so efficient they exceed human performance in every metric you can throw at it and no human can compete with.

    For example, right now as I type this there are single BOTS running the solen hives that are so efficient that I am in awe of them. Who ever programmed the script, client, program, etc.. has done a remarkable job. It basically turns your character into a super BOT. To watch a single double axe wielding solo the entire hive *even at max paragon levels* abilterate the entire hive, while I'm trying to holylight just to hit something is madding. Now throw in four of these bots, and you (I) have no chance at getting any drops.

    These people running super bots SHOULD be banned for just running whatever illegal script, client, program period. At this point the TOS has already been broken, time to move to actions against the accounts. It should not progress to asking how someone is doing, or if they can respond. If they respond after their account has been caught super botting as described above they should be instant banned as it is "willful noncompliance against the TOS".

    If a GM shows up people keep making the leap to "just attended macroing" at this point. Its not the same thing, nor should it be treated the same. I think its time the Dev team re-evaluates how it deals with a page about BOTS to begin with. 24/7 Bots are not the same as someones UO Assists 50 line mining macro. They need to be dealt with differently, and not given the chance to exploit the situation by saying "Hi!" to a GM and continuing to plague the game.
  • usernameusername Posts: 960
    @Bark_At_The_Moon Some users on these forums post in incredibly bad faith and have no motive other than to troll. Since there is no ignore function we sometimes have to do our best to simply ignore these users.
    This discussion has been closed.

    I will be slow to reply because I cannot log in/stay logged in to the forums.
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  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,308
    Yup, you would not want to read true statements.  And posters who disagree with you.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • Arroth_ThaielArroth_Thaiel Posts: 1,074
    edited December 2024
    The Hunter and its launcher are more complex than you are giving credit for.

    A quick look through the appropriate web sites and discords and you will find that the client has integrated messaging apps, so that while the bot is running, you can monitor the game and communicate with GM's via your phone, from the corner coffee shop or wherever.

    You can be provided with the bot, phone integration to respond to GM's, and appropriate monetary transfer apps, via encrypted links on Viber and / or Telegram. My understanding from reading a bit about this is that you are using one-off channels for the distribution of the bot. There is a key / seed for you to be able to enter the channel, presumably so EA or other ICI departments can't just join up.

    Honestly, the amount of work the builders of these clients have done, and the encryption and secretiveness they are using to distribute the software, is quite eye opening.

    It also means that otherwise legitimate players can "rent - out" their accounts when not using them. Making it more difficult for Broadsword to ban an otherwise paying account.

    It is really an operation the Broadsword team is up against. One that appears to have snowballed over the last year or two.
    -Arroth
  • looploop Posts: 434
    Pawain said:
    How many years have I been telling you these players are attended?

    They don't say Hi, the GM asks a specific question.  Can range from how are you today to some other ice breaker.  Maybe a simple math question.
    Pawain, the OP is arguing that players who are automating the game with unauthorized third-party programs should be actioned, regardless of whether or not they respond to a GM question.
  • PawainPawain Posts: 10,308
    edited December 2024
    loop said:
    Pawain said:
    How many years have I been telling you these players are attended?

    They don't say Hi, the GM asks a specific question.  Can range from how are you today to some other ice breaker.  Maybe a simple math question.
    Pawain, the OP is arguing that players who are automating the game with unauthorized third-party programs should be actioned, regardless of whether or not they respond to a GM question.
    OP should not use click bait titles that are untrue then.

     I agree that someone should not be able to log into the servers without an approved client.  

    I do not understand why the game allows a non UO client log into UO.  Sounds unsecure to me.

    As long as they allow it, then the GMs can only do what they are told,  leave attended paying accounts alone.

    These people go thru a lot of trouble to play/automate a "dead" game.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,711
    End of the day, yes, there is a level some people go to, that is above, and beyond, and obvious.

    But who are these players, where do you draw the line, maybe it is not as obvious as everyone thinks.

    I really do see, the cleanest of the clean players get blamed ingame.
    Players see this stuff everywhere, which undermines the case.

    I also see "low level" stuff, players just playing the game their way.

    I also see stuff that is not obvious, what you have to remember, the best people at this, really are hiding - if you are seeing them - they almost are not the ones. 
  • Attended macroing does NOT mean you can go off to work and wait for your 3rd party software to play UO for you and tell you when to respond to a GM. Reponding "Hi!" or some other "ice breaker" is not attended macroing in any sense of the word via a cell phone. Its exploiting the GM paging system to continue to exploit the game via BOT software. 

    Broadsword needs to know about this to react. The paging system is being exploited to aid the exploiters for crying out loud!!!

    24/7 BOTS are a problem. Not your UOAssist tailoring macro, or tree stump hacks.

    Pawain, why you insist on jumping in these threads when its been made clear you are not the target here is beyond me. You use the classic client and have macros, big deal. You are not going 24/7 at inhuman rates of efficiency or duration while playing UO. You have nothing to worry about. 

    Post if you must, I'm not going to be the one that tells another poster what they should or shouldnt post about. I stand by my original Title and do NOT feel it is click bait.
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