Trees to stumps?

Foos

Pawain said:

I recall someone saying players could walk through trees and grave stones many years ago with some client.

If you still have to walk around trees and objects, then what's the big deal?

Nah it doesn't do this at all.  It just changes the graphic to a stump so it's easier to see where you can walk.  The reason I said in an earlier thread that I liked it on my lumberjack is because I know exactly where to click with my axe when I'm cutting wood as opposed to trying multiple places on a tree graphic.  Trees to stump hurts absolutely nobody.

keven2002

Pawain said:

You do know that many are playing NL right now, some, like me stopped and are playing prodo shards for the events.  But many are playing both or just NL. Especially returning players that are enjoying it.

NL is a success, took a while to finish but it is a very different game and quite fun.

How do you know many are playing NL right now? You admitted in the very next sentence that you stopped, so how exactly would you know?

Also, you again seem to crown yourself as "the authority" on all things UO while having very little actual knowledge of most things, specifically on the success of NL. When do you attend management meetings with the Dev team to discuss the success of NL and other releases? Can you fill the rest of us in on what they deem as success? Is it launching NL (after 5 years) rather than scrapping it? If so then yes, NL is a success.

Of course this is my opinion (see how I don't speak as if my opinions are facts). Another opinion of mine is that what the Dev team has done in the past few weeks (adding solen hive spawn while also preventing Orion users from botting around non-stop) has been much more successful as far as making the game something enjoyable. This also spans across both Prod AND New Legacy; unlike creating a NL for a smaller subset of players.

Cookie

Foos said:

To this day I have no idea why Trees to stump isn't allowed and isn't a feature of the client.  Remove houses should be too.  Improving things for the PVP community doesn't hurt anyone.  These are options you should be able to turn off and on. 

Agreed.
I believe there should be an additional Tab in Options, specifically for pvpers, that allow them to have some of the playability they like.
Players can chose to use them or not.
They can leave as it is, and go for immersion into the game.
Or they can toggle off, for slightly better performance, less lag, more visibility on what they are actually trying to do.
When I am zooming around in pvp, I am not stopping to admire that nicely decorated house. And if that nicely decorated house has a tunnel in between, that can be a deathtrap.

Cookie

KroDuK said:

Let's have this discussion in 24 months.. it's a niche in a niche.. Theme Park Legacy New Heresy.. There is one niche in extra.. burning out your sandbox player base with a theme park extraction AT BEST.. the problem still is the "main" game.. without a solid foundation to extract on, NL is doomed.. can't even compete with an illegal shard; it's legit a RPG theme park with UO assets.

Players like you are burning people out, the consistent stream of negativity.
You probably would have voted for Harris, and cannot understand why she lost?
It is because people like you are an absolute liability to have on your side, you turn everyone off.
So many people here, have tried to help you, and your attitude. Relax. 

New Legacy is fine, the concept is fine, it could appeal to a new audience in a new way.
My personal opinion is, yes, you want to ensure there are no cheats within New Legacy - it is brand new, there is the chance to put your time and resources to get that right
Production shards were ticking along, and there were other improvements that could have been made, that would have helped the overall cause better than "Lets ban 70% of the playerbase - because it will bring 5-10% back".

Things they could do instead;

1.Make the playability better - there is a reason players use other clients. It has been proven to be possible, and it has been proven to be smooth, and in line with how UO should be. The REASON for the success of another client is because they maintained the integrity of what UO is meant to be, in a way that Enhanced Client even, did not. WebCUO is going in the right direction. But remember - until a few months ago, WebCUO was not an option, and an illegal 3rd party client - one that many of us had been saying the Dev team could team up with to help their output for years. For all this talk of Cheats - the Dev team made 1 decision, and the game evolved, adapted, was not stuck in the past. Something that was a cheat, is now not a cheat - and this has been my point the entire time. In football - the governing body - review the rules EACH YEAR.

2. Honestly, the sampire buff as per Lord Nythrax, was a disaster. "Lets buff sampires so they can all bot the next event". "Oh, they are now all botting the event?" Quel Surprise? What exactly did I say to that suggestion at the time? I think my words were - exactly - "Ok, I'm worried now". Anyone could see that was going to be a disaster. Lesson - reduce sampires again, they are so easy to play, so easy to bot, promote other templates.

I feel we have ended up in a good place for Christmas, the game is running well - I understand Atlantic players wanting less lag, but I feel there are many less players now, than there should be, in a period where we have more events on than ever, more rewards, more drops.
The constant arguing and tension has put a lot of players off imo, on both sides of the debate, and that is everything I am against, we should have a lot of players online now, having fun - and I blame the zealots like you for creating this toxic atmosphere and putting players off.

Pawain

keven2002 said:

Pawain said:

You do know that many are playing NL right now, some, like me stopped and are playing prodo shards for the events.  But many are playing both or just NL. Especially returning players that are enjoying it.

NL is a success, took a while to finish but it is a very different game and quite fun.

How do you know many are playing NL right now? You admitted in the very next sentence that you stopped, so how exactly would you know?

Also, you again seem to crown yourself as "the authority" on all things UO while having very little actual knowledge of most things, specifically on the success of NL. When do you attend management meetings with the Dev team to discuss the success of NL and other releases? Can you fill the rest of us in on what they deem as success? Is it launching NL (after 5 years) rather than scrapping it? If so then yes, NL is a success.

Of course this is my opinion (see how I don't speak as if my opinions are facts). Another opinion of mine is that what the Dev team has done in the past few weeks (adding solen hive spawn while also preventing Orion users from botting around non-stop) has been much more successful as far as making the game something enjoyable. This also spans across both Prod AND New Legacy; unlike creating a NL for a smaller subset of players.

I can read the forums. Plus I do not have years long pent up hatred that NL was released,  I didn't spend years betting it would never be released like you did.
And telling everyone how you could do it faster.

You still haven't shown us what game you have made, Mr. Expert on everything. 

They are still saying the drop rates are too low on the bosses, which means a group is there.  They are talking about dropping BODs on the Cong.

Also you have to do quests to keep your house.  I'm letting mine drop because I don't use them.  So you could look at the blank housing spots to see if ppl are not playing.

Every shard is less busy right now tho.  A holiday week is happening possibly.

Have some eggnog and enjoy life and drop your bitterness.

KroDuK

Foos said:

Nah it doesn't do this at all.  It just changes the graphic to a stump so it's easier to see where you can walk.  The reason I said in an earlier thread that I liked it on my lumberjack is because I know exactly where to click with my axe when I'm cutting wood as opposed to trying multiple places on a tree graphic.  Trees to stump hurts absolutely nobody.

What a shit reason.. admitting u using an illegal client while pretty much proving u hvn't played on the CC in a VERY LONG time.. We (legit CC users) need to turn off transparency to chop trees..

PS: wich is even a better reason than your non sense if not sure where to click on the trees.. u could click anywhere on that tree and it will chop those trees.. it work even if u click on the tip of a branch.. u cheater.

Cookie said:

Foos said:

To this day I have no idea why Trees to stump isn't allowed and isn't a feature of the client.  Remove houses should be too.  Improving things for the PVP community doesn't hurt anyone.  These are options you should be able to turn off and on. 

Agreed.

  

Pawain said:

Also you have to do quests to keep your house,

I just puke in my mouth.. if this is not the prove they plan of letting all the bots taking over NL in a near future.. all other studio using gold sink for such mechanics.. here they doing something pro bots.. auto questing.. would be way easier to report a bots farming gold for hours on the same pixel and get them ban.. over spotting them when they does auto questing.. GL on that!

Pawain said:

Every shard is less busy right now tho.

I've seen less than 5 real person outside luna bank from june to nov.. at moment u have 10+ bots on both facet of this events.. and 90% of those numbers MINIMUM are bots.. not sure what u mean Legends is VERY VERY crowded at moment.. just full of cockroaches.

Petra_Fyde

If you're judging population by the number of people at Luna bank there's no wonder you're not seeing the true picture. I rarely set foot in Luna unless someone wants to meet there for a trade, most of my play time is spent every where else in game. This week, in addition to visiting the event towns, I've farmed imbuing resources in Underworld, Holy City, Spider island, The Volcano. I've caught swamp dragons, fire beetles, ostards, ridgebacks for my Magincia pet stall. I've crafted spinning wheels, looms, anvils and forges, made arrows and slayer weapons for my vendors.  I don't have time to faff about at Luna bank. I'm too busy playing the game.

Pawain

Our Luna banksitters have also declined.  They are playing on LS or another shard to collect armor.

dara

Well this went sideways. Trees to stumps is an option in EC using Pincos, so I don't know why we can't on the CUO. When you have houses on Fire ,it's annoying. And those maps in the jungles ,same. Wasn't about the pvp aspect.

Pawain

dara said:

Well this went sideways. Trees to stumps is an option in EC using Pincos, so I don't know why we can't on the CUO. When you have houses on Fire ,it's annoying. And those maps in the jungles ,same. Wasn't about the pvp aspect.

If you can't use it to walk thru objects.  I don't see a reason that it can't be an option.  It can be used for many parts of the game.