Frustrated with New Nightmare Color Spawns

When I first heard about Shadows Awakening, it was THE MOST excited I have ever been for a Publish since UO was released. Nightmares are my favorite mount and being able to get them in some new colors sounded exciting.

I literally just closed one of my paid accounts because of how poorly thought out and deployed this publish was and how much it's made me dislike the game again.

I've burned through 12 Totems with ZERO colors. I've wasted DAYS trying to find them now.

I realize other players literally HAVE ALL THE LUCK. but that isn't true for everyone. So understand YOUR UNIQUE EXPERIENCE IS UNIQUE TO YOU and not all players have YOUR LUCK.

You know what isn't fun? paying real money for something in a game you ALREADY PAY a monthly fee for, then getting LITERALLY NOTHING out of it and wasting time.

Yea, everyone with "their" purple is happy and thinks it's fine but you clearly didn't waste hours and days of your life away from your family / kids for nothing. I just wanted 1 colored nightmare.

This is a game, it's supposed to be fun. This isn't fun. It just rewards the lucky few.

At least they admit how badly the deployment was.... What has happened so far?

The guilds with NUMBERS ADVANTAGE overwhelmed the fel spawns and DENY access, while at the same time, they sent other players to go slaughter all the spawn in tram keeping the FEW rares for themselves and then gaslighting the community "oh you can get them, they're spawning"..

Devs now implement a "hotfix" to admit:

1. They didn't create totems properly, allowing others to kill/grief the spawn. Now must be hotfixed.

2. They didn't put enough Nightmare spawns in the game. Now must be hotfixed.

3. The spawn rate is too low (which is why they are adding more spawn locations).

One great solution would be to JUST INCREASE THE RNG ON THE COLORED NIGHTMARES SO EVERY PLAYER THAT WANTS ONE HAS A FAIR CHANCE TO GET ONE. ESPECIALLY IF PAYING REAL MONEY. The event is already temporary....

Rant over. This event made me hate uo more than any other before due to how much of my time has been wasted for nothing and the amount of frustration just trying to do a simple thing like tame a colored nightmare... I'm very disappointed as I was more excited for this publish than ANY other before it due to these nightmares but this isn't fun. It makes me hate it and brought out the worst behavior in many players to grief/troll.

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  • VioletViolet Posts: 400
    edited November 8
    Zylo said:

    I've burned through 12 Totems with ZERO colors. I've wasted DAYS trying to find them now.

    I realize other players literally HAVE ALL THE LUCK. but that isn't true for everyone. So understand YOUR UNIQUE EXPERIENCE IS UNIQUE TO YOU and not all players have YOUR LUCK.

    You know what isn't fun? paying real money for something in a game you ALREADY PAY a monthly fee for, then getting LITERALLY NOTHING out of it and wasting time.

    Nightmares are my favorite animal in game and have been since they were introduced.   I have 6 original nightmares on my main tamer that I've had since before bonding was a thing.  I have not yet tamed an enchanted origin nightmare and I have friends that have tamed multiples.

    To have absolutely zero colors on 12 totems would be exceptionally rare, but still mathematically possibly. I see it's disappointing to you to not get the nightmares you want in the time frame you feel is acceptable. If the totems are not giving you the results you want, might I suggest you saving up and buying some of the ones you want? There are even some people giving away 3 slots of some of the rare colors due to limited stable slots.  If you were expecting a Enchanted Origin green-purple in 12 totems, I don't think those are the average results of people farming them.

    Yea, everyone with "their" purple is happy and thinks it's fine but you clearly didn't waste hours and days of your life away from your family / kids for nothing. I just wanted 1 colored nightmare.

    You do realize many of these people who have farmed the enchanted origin green-purple nightmares have spent hours and days to get them, right?  I know first day of the spawn there were people out there 16 hours straight and for hours and days after that.

    We are responsible for prioritizing things in our life.  Broadsword and the Devs didn't make the choice to play Ultima Online instead of spending time with your family/kids.  These are life choices we as individuals are responsible for.  Play in moderation (this is one of the reasons I do not have an enchanted origin nightmare, I can go days or even weeks without logging in because no matter how much I love nightmares, I prioritize other things in my life)

    This is a game, it's supposed to be fun. This isn't fun. It just rewards the lucky few.

    That's sometimes how rare drops/spawns works.  It rewards the people who put in the most time or are the luckiest.  This isn't something unique to Ultima Online.

    At least they admit how badly the deployment was.... What has happened so far?

     The deployment wasn't bad.  Atlantic players were bad.  Put the blame where it belongs.  But also remember, the decision to play or continue to play Atlantic is your own.

    The guilds with NUMBERS ADVANTAGE overwhelmed the fel spawns and DENY access, while at the same time, they sent other players to go slaughter all the spawn in tram keeping the FEW rares for themselves and then gaslighting the community "oh you can get them, they're spawning"..

    Again, this is a recent Atlantic player issue. There are 2 dozens servers outside of Atlantic and many have welcoming communities. 

    Devs now implement a "hotfix" to admit:

    1. They didn't create totems properly, allowing others to kill/grief the spawn. Now must be hotfixed.
    First off, would you prefer the Devs not address bad player behavior and try to make it better? Would you prefer them not to hotfix things in the future?  To me that seems counterproductive.

    These totems are not a new thing and have been in the game for 7 and a half years. And they have worked on the nightmare spawn since the void/shiny (1910) mares have been introduced and this hasn't been a problem. These also wasn't a problem during the limited content spring content where you could use totems to spawn colored jack rabbits and rabbits.  So it also wasn't a problem in previous content.

    2. They didn't put enough Nightmare spawns in the game. Now must be hotfixed.

    So before this patch there was 5 nightmare spawns:

    * Kirin Passage
    * Malas Woods
    * Terathan Keep Trammel
    * Terathan Keep Felucca
    * Wind Felucca

    When this patch went in Live they added 6 more spawn areas:

    * Hythloth Trammel
    * Hythloth Felucca
    * Southern Lost Lands Trammel
    * Southern Lost Lands Felucca
    * Covetous Trammel
    * Covetous Felucca

    They more than doubled the spawn areas for this event. That's more spawns any almost any mob in game. The 4 added areas in the hotfix just gives more areas for players to farm, hopefully without player conflict. 

    3. The spawn rate is too low (which is why they are adding more spawn locations).

    Couple things here:
    * The spawn rate isn't too low, it's actually pretty snappy.  Can average about 3 nightmares a minute.
    * Adding more spawn would not make them spawn faster.

    One great solution would be to JUST INCREASE THE RNG ON THE COLORED NIGHTMARES SO EVERY PLAYER THAT WANTS ONE HAS A FAIR CHANCE TO GET ONE. ESPECIALLY IF PAYING REAL MONEY. The event is already temporary....

    Rare spawns are rare spawns.  If everyone has one, then are they truly rare?

    Rant over. This event made me hate uo more than any other before due to how much of my time has been wasted for nothing and the amount of frustration just trying to do a simple thing like tame a colored nightmare... I'm very disappointed as I was more excited for this publish than ANY other before it due to these nightmares but this isn't fun. It makes me hate it and brought out the worst behavior in many players to grief/troll.

    Well, this hotfix will curb a lot of bad Atlantic player behavior that has emerged from this content.  However, you will still have to be cautious in Felucca as you consent to pvp while on that facet. Also remember, there are 2 dozen other servers you can play on with fun and welcoming communities.  
  • ZyloZylo Posts: 28
    edited 12:48AM
    Violet said:

    To have absolutely zero colors on 12 totems would be exceptionally rare, but still mathematically possibly. I see it's disappointing to you to not get the nightmares you want in the time frame you feel is acceptable. If the totems are not giving you the results you want, might I suggest you saving up and buying some of the ones you want? There are even some people giving away 3 slots of some of the rare colors due to limited stable slots.  If you were expecting a Enchanted Origin green-purple in 12 totems, I don't think those are the average results of people farming them.

    You're right. It's not average and it's not even close to fun. I pay real money for a monthly subscription on a 27 year old game and I just paid more real money for "Totems of Chromatic Fortune".  So I'm paying twice with no reward. 

    Violet said:

    You do realize many of these people who have farmed the enchanted origin green-purple nightmares have spent hours and days to get them, right?  I know first day of the spawn there were people out there 16 hours straight and for hours and days after that.

    We are responsible for prioritizing things in our life.  Broadsword and the Devs didn't make the choice to play Ultima Online instead of spending time with your family/kids.  These are life choices we as individuals are responsible for.  Play in moderation (this is one of the reasons I do not have an enchanted origin nightmare, I can go days or even weeks without logging in because no matter how much I love nightmares, I prioritize other things in my life)

     You do realize I have been out there 16 hours straight for hours and days after that also which is why I'm so frustrated at this point. Maybe you should re-read my post. I've probably put more time and hours into this than most players on the entire shard. 

    Please stop being condescending and acting as if I have not put in the time and effort others have. It is insulting, demeaning and patently false.

    Yes, we are responsible for prioritizing things in our life. It's not worth the time or money anymore if this is how things are going to be. Broadsword and the Devs don't make my choice to play Ultima Online. That's why I CLOSED MY PAID ACCOUNT. Please stop being condescending and making personal attacks at me about "I should prioritize my life better". This is literally why this event is poorly planned out. If you can't commit your life to the game, there is no reward. I'm not even a casual, I farmed hours and hours for days and days with nothing. That is not acceptable to me. Others did not "put in more time and effort" than I did. I am personally insulted by your comments about my time management and effort I put into obtaining a colored nightmare.

    Violet said:

     The deployment wasn't bad.  Atlantic players were bad.  Put the blame where it belongs.  But also remember, the decision to play or continue to play Atlantic is your own.

    The deployment was bad. You're just insulting the player base and avoiding where the blame does belong (ON THE DEVS). I am putting the blame exactly where it belongs which is why THEY ARE HOTFIXING IT. They know they screwed up. Why are they FIXING it? 

    But also remember, the decision to play or continue to play is my own. I closed my paid account.

    What I always find interesting is how happy some people like yourself are to tell other people to leave and quit, rather than hear someone's concerns and actually understand / empathize with another human who is paying for and trying to actively participate in the game and community. It's incredible how mad some people are that others want to be able to access the same in game content as others, especially when paying above and beyond the regular monthly subscription on a game over a quarter of a century old..... AND PUTTING IN THE SAME TIME AND EFFORT.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 369
    edited 2:45AM
    I can agree for one thing with the OP.. considering what he said is real.. the team could do a small move behind the curtain.. throw him a bone.

    EX: on legends one night we had that low life dude (small drama on general chat.. that griefer after denying killing their colored mare for more than an hour.. he legit admitted to attack them/griefing ~90min later).. harassing two guy farming tram cove.. he would hit harm their colored NM try to lure them away.. it was 100% griefing.
    Now the dev bring up a counter to that.. wich is great.. they even added more spawn.. also great.

    But if u have a paid customer that feel robbed from his first 10 totems.. u just telling him:"yo, NOW, u can buy more totem.. u good!"
    It kinda feel like a slap in the face.. throw the guys like him a bone, would make perfect sense.. good customer service.. u did fuck up early on this event.. like those persons on Legends; they wasted a couple totem cuz of griefing. (not possible now, wich is great.. but yeah)
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
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  • gaygay Posts: 377
    I think moving forward the only reasonable solution that people like the original poster are going to find acceptable is for broadsword to fully integrate a random lootbox scheme in the form of being able to slot machine a random mare for 50 cents in the safety of your home.

    The item could be called the "Seasonal Monster Color Slot Machine" it costs 2500 sov tokens to buy and requires the "Plundered Baby Whale" (to keep in theme with pirates and stuff) booster pack to be active on your account, which will cost a scant $99.95 with the option of a seasonal booster pass at a scaling paywall, 1/3/5/7.5/10% increase chance for rare colors at 5/10/15/20/25 additional dollars a month. The machine can come with 2 free spins and additional spins can be purchased for 57 sov tokens each.
  • gaygay Posts: 377
    Also satire aside, addiction awareness and mental/emotional wellbeing take priority over anything happening in a game. This isn't a dig at you or anyone else at all, but anyone suffering from symptoms of video game addiction please take a break and find a professional to seek help from.

    There is a very valid reason why other countries limit video game time for people.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 369
    edited 3:09AM
    You doing a satire.. but an object like this totem.. to me is legit a loot box.. the easy fix would be ONE sure drop per totem MINIMUM.. to remove the gacha mechanics!

    PS: i'm not even considering the fuck up and griefer when i'm saying this totem is a gacha mechanic.. cuz it's a fact on top of the other problems
    The law of diminushing return works both ways...

    @gay i'm reading do not be passionate, u suckers! it's not always an addiction problem.. this dude is passionate with the NM.. bad faith move dude.. very disapointing comments.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
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  • gaygay Posts: 377
    edited 3:30AM
    KroDuK said:
    You doing a satire.. but an object like this totem.. to me is legit a loot box.. the easy fix would be ONE sure drop per totem MINIMUM.. to remove the gacha mechanics!

    PS: i'm not even considering the fuck up and griefer when i'm saying this totem is a gacha mechanic.. cuz it's a fact on top of the other problems
    The law of diminushing return works in both ways...
    Yep, I haven't agreed with this totem since day one. It's a dishonest and terrible way to conduct business and treat what is left of your community and customers. Reasons like this are why you can reach out to the developers of POE and ask them to remove the ability to even buy their cosmetic lootboxes. And are largely why many companies are doing away with them completely, even China is making them illegal. CHINA.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 369
    edited 3:23AM
    gay said:
    Yep, I haven't agree with this totem since day one. It's a dishonest and terrible way to conduct business and treat what is left of your community and customers. Reasons like this are why you can reach out to the developers of POE and ask them to remove the ability to even buy their cosmetic lootboxes. And are largely why many companies are doing away with them completely, even China is making them illegal. CHINA.
    Do not get me started.. they had a plan like 1-2 yrs ago.. they had a tons of good stuff (and other; not so good stuff)
    Finally the CCP turn everything off.. cuz of CAPITALISM.. tencent and nexon (i believe) lost a tons of value when they first announce their plan.. the CCP fire the guy leading this project to protect kids and addiction in video game ~3weeks later and they kept doing what every capitalist company does.. wich is hilarious!!


    As for PoE.. I legit drop 200 in 3 months when GGG came with the lockstep PoE 2.0.. cuz the small indy dev was soooo good.. since they sold to tencent.. they keep adding more n more stuff pushing toward spending.. that 200 i spend was only on more tab.. not cuz I needed em but cuz i wanted to encourage them.. now u kinda NEED to buy a couple of them.. like only to do business.. wich is sneaky.. i do not support that. wich is a shame.

    Edit: remember poe2 was just an addition to PoE.. not an entire new game?  :D
    Edit2: I veirfied it's not nexon the second company.. i forgot wich chinese company it was.. they did pressure/lobbying so CCP turn off all that good "socialist" plan they had for the benefit of kids and gamer health.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
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  • gaygay Posts: 377
    KroDuK said:
    @ gay i'm reading do not be passionate, u suckers! it's not always an addiction problem.. this dude is passionate with the NM.. bad faith move dude.. very disapointing comments.
    On the contrary, be passionate. I'm very passionate about UO, it's largely why I'm so outspoken. But when the logic is led with "It's not fun to spend 16 hours a day straight away from my family, kids, and personal life to get nothing." that is not passion, it is addiction. Addiction being fueled by the fear of missing out.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 369
    I can see what u mean.. to me i took it like.. a one time thing.. cuz he was REAL passionate about those MARES.. my bad.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
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