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A few questions for Kyronix on this Shadow event

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  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 381
    edited November 9
    The slower pace was compensate by higher luck set.
    Today not sure how it work with all that BIS heresy.. i'd assume Tamer still can hit higher number than Samp does.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,518
    edited November 9
    KroDuK said:
    The slower pace was compensate by higher luck set.
    Today not sure how it work with all those BIS heretic.. i'd assume Tamer still can hit higher than Samp does with their luck #
    Luck makes no difference in these heretic events.

    It is purely about numbers of mobs destroyed at speed hence why Sampires do so well.

    Yes, they say luck makes a difference, but tamers do not get close in terms of drops or numbers killed.

    if you removed the paragon life leeches, I do not think a Sampire could even die in the events, and that is the issue.

    The paragons were put in, to slow down the spawn destruction and add in that chance of randomness, especially to combat bots. Sampires just mowed down the paragons.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 381
    edited November 9
    The last city invasion I enjoyed was lizardmen on britain.. the fall of Haven was meh like the fall of moonglow.. only good to run; skip mobs and grab rubble..
    I can't wait to see those bots 24/7 and those 10 multibox stack on top of each others with auto aim scripts steam rolling and blinging; killing all the motivation and sucking all the fun out of the event.

    Should be interesting.. the sad part here.. I totally love those bashing event collecting point.. but i'm getting rdy to thief the event.. trying to prevent a rage quit cuz of said problems.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • PawainPawain Posts: 9,938
    Its funny reading all the posts from players who have never done these events.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,518
    edited November 9
    KroDuK said:
    The last city invasion I enjoyed was lizardmen on britain.. the fall of Haven was meh like the fall of moonglow.. only good to run; skip mobs and grab rubble..
    I can't wait to see those bots 24/7 and those 10 multibox stack on top of each others with auto aim scripts steam rolling and blinging; killing all the motivation and sucking all the fun out of the event.

    Should be interesting.. the sad part here.. I totally love those bashing event collecting point.. but i'm getting rdy to thief the event.. trying to prevent a rage quit cuz of said problems.
    You may not like my viewpoint here. :)

    If you are playing 1 character, you are getting enough drops for 1 character.

    If you are playing 10 characters, you are getting enough drops for 10 characters.

    There is actually a lot of fairness there. I do not think anyone is missing out.

    In fact, if you have 3 accounts, you would have to play 3 times more, yet if you have 3 accounts, you still want to gear them - remember, you are paying 3 times more. Back in the day, I was a huge fan of only 1 character per player. But then they gave you 7 characters. Then people played more accounts. A lot of this, is just to make it possible to play those accounts. I have multi accounts for my family, but they cannot always play, yet I want to keep them all up to date. I’m not making any mass RMT profit, I’m only gearing my families accounts, so when we are on together, we can play the game and be up to date.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 381
    edited November 9
    Pawain said:
    Its funny reading all the posts from players who have never done these events.
    Excuse you?.. I went into covetous fel when i reinstalled in june.. I was on my mule miner/lumber..  I beat down a single pirate.. was already top 5 on the leaderboard.

    Went to read the event to realise u needed High Sea.. abort, it's the cheater booster!


    and during the actual T-hunter event.. You can tell one of the treasure hunter running the show is using ~7 wraith form archer AI spammer scripted automated alts with ~3more garg thrower, like cupcake cupecake2, infinity, infinity2.. I just cannot imagine this dude on a city invasion event when he can do that all day long without being punish.. this cheaters is gonna bling bling..

    BTW.. that same person traded me a white shield (I had everything except white shield) I gave him 2 shadow shield + 15m for a white shield.. and the next day (the dude is blinging) he wanted to give me a white shield (he was using a codex with 0 spell) I trade him a fullspell codex for it.


    So what are u saying exactly?.. i 've seen enough of how UO is manage in 2024.. to be real scared of city invasion and bashing event where u can 24/7 to collect point for BIS heresy.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,518
    KroDuK said:
    The last city invasion I enjoyed was lizardmen on britain.. the fall of Haven was meh like the fall of moonglow.. only good to run; skip mobs and grab rubble..
    I can't wait to see those bots 24/7 and those 10 multibox stack on top of each others with auto aim scripts steam rolling and blinging; killing all the motivation and sucking all the fun out of the event.

    Should be interesting.. the sad part here.. I totally love those bashing event collecting point.. but i'm getting rdy to thief the event.. trying to prevent a rage quit cuz of said problems.
    And by the way, yes, thief’s are an awesome option, they are just so much fun to play, I enjoy it.

    in fact, this event series, started with disappointing rewards, but now they have killed it on all levels.

    What I really like, is there is content for so many playstyles.
    tamers getting stuff, treasure hunters involved, thief’s, mages, warriors, I’m using them all and enjoying it. And best of all, I’m having a turf war pvp with God for Felucca Covetous. :)

    There is also so much loot, a huge amount of loot gaps have been filled.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 381
    edited November 9
    Cookie said:
    And best of all, I’m having a turf war pvp with God for Felucca Covetous. :)
    Personally I went there, there was a sampire talking shit on general farming the spot.. I was like time to film a small video for the montages of how bad things has become, here; the PvP with all those cheat engine.. I got my ass serve twice.. but I get some insane footage.. the dude casted a spell without even realising he did.. we argue ~45min.. he was like I also got a video! I'll post it!!

    I was like i can't wait for you to post a video actually using a cheat engine, trying to prove me i'm wrong saying your cheating and not actually controlling your character!

    (i did engage with a ward removal.. and was saying he never did cast vampiric embrace when it's the first thing his character did when he engaged me)
    Golden stuff   :#

    I also try to take part into the T-hunting.. felt bad only leeching.. but yeah and to me those mare are just parade horses.. i totally ignore that.. I would say those 3 white shield felt good.. but i would be lying.. it's disapointing to be lock on those theme park; theme gated template/build.


    The part that was fun was doing manifestation with 4-7 players a solid 10 min of fun.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 379
    Cookie said:
    So for the record, at champ spawns, and these events, it takes 3 throwers to have the same impact as 1 Sampire.
    We all know this, this maybe why you see so many throwers.

    LMAO yeah that's why we see massive flocks of auto-targeting multi-box throwers at every single fight, it's because they're just so underpowered. The scripters farming event items to sell for cash could run other templates and cut their costs by two-thirds while also having an easier time, they just don't because they love paying extra to work harder.

    God damn, how do you even type this stuff with a straight face?

    And no, we absolutely do not see sampire bots at events. Because at an event with other people, they'd have to move around in order to hit anything. Even if their script didn't end up getting them lost, split up, or stuck on an obstacle eventually, they'd end up far behind all the thrower bots, who can target instantly without needing to move or use ammunition.

    Awful post.
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 379
    edited November 9
    KroDuK said:

    Some event they could do undead.. Sampies shall not pass!! Bring your paladin.. plus it make no sense leeching life from a pill of bones.

    This idea sucks. If they feel like they need to do something to bring the template into line, or buff other melee templates to make them more competitive, I've already said they should do so and made some suggestions to that effect. But randomly banning templates from different content "just because" is the kind of stupid design this game already has way too much of. The same lazy tamers/throwers/whatever will still just cry exactly as hard every time a sampire does something that isn't undead anyway.
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 379
    This game has the most aggressively stupid community out there, offering the most worthless feedback.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 381
    edited November 9

    The same lazy tamers/throwers/whatever will still just cry exactly as hard every time a sampire does something that isn't undead anyway.
    You got a point.. to me it just make no sense to add those trojan horse on every single event on the sampire build.. it's like saying use your sampies.. but get fucked during those events, bring a scripted pocket healer.. if u limit those event with logic like can't sap from undead during those specific event.. it could make sense to skip an event on the sampies, while fully enjoying them for the others events.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,518
    KroDuK said:
    Cookie said:
    And best of all, I’m having a turf war pvp with God for Felucca Covetous. :)
    Personally I went there, there was a sampire talking shit on general farming the spot.. I was like time to film a small video for the montages of how bad things has become, here; the PvP with all those cheat engine.. I got my ass serve twice.. but I get some insane footage.. the dude casted a spell without even realising he did.. we argue ~45min.. he was like I also got a video! I'll post it!!

    I was like i can't wait for you to post a video actually using a cheat engine, trying to prove me i'm wrong saying your cheating and not actually controlling your character!

    (i did engage with a ward removal.. and was saying he never did cast vampiric embrace when it's the first thing his character did when he engaged me)
    Golden stuff   :#

    I also try to take part into the T-hunting.. felt bad only leeching.. but yeah and to me those mare are just parade horses.. i totally ignore that.. I would say those 3 white shield felt good.. but i would be lying.. it's disapointing to be lock on those theme park; theme gated template/build.


    The part that was fun was doing manifestation with 4-7 players a solid 10 min of fun.
    We all like different things. 

    My opinion is, play your game, and don’t be bothered what everyone else may or may not be doing. Yes in pvp, you have to go to another place, that is just fact. It is like fine tuning a racing car.

    Yes, I think the Nightmares are parade horses, I am all about pvp, I’m here to improve my pvp gear. BUT, my 13 year old son decides he loves pets… and he goes and gets a 2 slot purple nightmare when I’m asleep, and that was a good feeling for all of us, it is nice when you achieve really hard tasks.

    Im not normally into deco, ever, but I love playing the thief in Khaldun, and I got a titan relic at last, I think I have been trying for 5 years…

    My 16 year old decides to build a Sampire which he will use at the event, you can imagine how happy that makes me…

    I disagree with your theme park viewpoint. They had years of random pvm loot that I hated, it was not possible to achieve balanced suits, so I just gave up. I also hate antique and obscelesence, once you have a part for a character, you want it to last. So I am a massive fan of the event style armour concepts, and for like 10 years I was a voice on my own, but now they do these events, and you see how hard players go for them, it was not just me. If you look at the armour styles, they are not BIS because they have more properties, it is because they are balanced better. If you have good balance, you can sometimes have less properties. Although admitted, some of these items are amazing, but for me, there is no other way of getting items for my characters, I do not play the pvm armour system because I hate it.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 381
    Cookie said:
    We all like different things. 
    I almost stop here.. we all know what u enjoy.


    Cookie said:

    My opinion is, play your game, and don’t be bothered what everyone else may or may not be doing. 
    and... i'm done!
    Have u try playing tESO? the solo online game? This one might be for you!


    Sandbox MMOrpg: play your game, and don’t be bothered by what everyone else may be doing.. or may not be doing!

    Is this a premise to a very bad joke?  :| 
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,518
    edited November 9
    KroDuK said:
    Cookie said:
    We all like different things. 
    I almost stop here.. we all know what u enjoy.


    Cookie said:

    My opinion is, play your game, and don’t be bothered what everyone else may or may not be doing. 
    and... i'm done!
    Have u try playing tESO? the solo online game? This one might be for you!


    Sandbox MMOrpg: play your game, and don’t be bothered by what everyone else may be doing.. or may not be doing!

    Is this a premise to a very bad joke?  :| 
    I play in guild teams for much of my play. I’m a complete team player, pvp, and pvm, why would I play solo.

    look at football for example, there are 2 different managerial perspectives.

    1. you focus on what everyone else is doing, and you adjust and fit, to counter them. Small teams do this.

    2. you are supremely confident in what you are doing. As long as you are getting your play right, you don’t even have to bother with what anyone else maybe doing. The best teams do this.

    You find the best of the best, usually fall into category 2.


  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 381
    edited November 9
    Cookie said:


    2. you are supremely confident in what you are doing.

     This... THIS!! it's THE problem!!
    You are sponsor by BS into being supremely confident!! THIS IS IT!!

    this is just it.. very well said!! i couldn't have done better myself.. BRAVO! gg!!

    BS need to read this

    SUPREMELY CONFIDENT into y'all failures against cheat engine!! hopefully it hit a nerve.. cuz IT SHOULD!! it should be perceive as an insult by the management at BS!!! and i'm just quoting..
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,518
    KroDuK said:
    Cookie said:


    2. you are supremely confident in what you are doing.

     This... THIS!! it's THE problem!!
    You are sponsor by BS into being supremely confident!! THIS IS IT!!

    this is just it.. very well said!! i couldn't have done better myself.. BRAVO! gg!!

    now BS need to read this and question themselves to react!! do something BS!

    SUPREMELY CONFIDENT into y'all failures against cheat engine!!
    You are being small team mentality, and looking for excuses. :)
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,518
    edited November 9
    KroDuK said:
    Cookie said:


    2. you are supremely confident in what you are doing.

     This... THIS!! it's THE problem!!
    You are sponsor by BS into being supremely confident!! THIS IS IT!!

    this is just it.. very well said!! i couldn't have done better myself.. BRAVO! gg!!

    BS need to read this

    SUPREMELY CONFIDENT into y'all failures against cheat engine!! hopefully it hit a nerve.. cuz IT SHOULD!! it should be perceive as an insult by the management at BS!!! and i'm just quoting..
    You really missed the point.
    I don’t care what you are doing, play your game, I’m not going to be on forums judging or criticising you. 
    I am playing my game, and having fun, and I’m never going to waste time letting anything you do ingame bother me. :)

    On forums, I’m happy to chat.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 381
    edited November 9
    Cookie said:
    I’m not going to be on forums judging or criticising you. 
    I am.. i don't have tolerance for pixel on my screen from low skill players using cheat engine in PvP that bots and/or multibox script their PvE.

    Do as you like into your house.. script those crafters to craft potion.. script your skill gain.. who care.. personally i do that manually cuz I like to be proud of what i've done.

    dumb example.. when i go on ATL and I see that bear 24/7 casting portal and promoting his shit vendor.. i'm losing my mind.. if u too lazy to promote your vendor without using a bot.. GTFO! plus that mofo is in the path for the stairs.. like wtf?!
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,518
    KroDuK said:
    Cookie said:
    I’m not going to be on forums judging or criticising you. 
    I am.. i don't have tolerance for pixel on my screen from low skill players using cheat engine in PvP that bots and/or multibox script their PvE.

    Do as you like into your house.. script those crafters to craft potion.. script your skill gain.. who care.. personally i do that manually cuz I like to be proud of what i've done.
    I have never scripted crafters to make potions, I loot most of mine, or make them myself.
    You are thinking stereotypically, just because I have said I can do all that stuff, does not mean I do it.

    I’ve never used bots, I did say, if I wanted to, I could very easily.

    Yes, play the way you enjoy, that is all I’m saying.

    My experience is, you will get more enjoyment playing your game, than bothering what others are doing.

  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 381
    edited November 9
    You fail to realised your not speaking with wisdom..
    You speaking like a cheater that already admitted cheating..

    just read the signature.. u can pretend all you want today u were trolling.. but the FULL context is still on this forum, that thread still on (it was just shut down by an abusive mod) and that mod hvn't remove your promotion and admission, he just shut ME down for denouncing and exposing cheaters.. stop the BS bro, maybe it's time for an "illumination" from your part.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,518
    KroDuK said:

    dumb example.. when i go on ATL and I see that bear 24/7 casting portal and promoting his shit vendor.. i'm losing my mind.. if u too lazy to promote your vendor without using a bot.. GTFO! plus that mofo is in the path for the stairs.. like wtf?!
    Why would this bother you though?

    So again, I have never done this, I could do it if I wanted, but I am not that interested to.

    But I don't understand why this would even bother you?
    This is what I mean, why don't you play your game, and ignore him?
    Nothing he is doing is impacting you.
    If he wants to do that, let him, again, he went to some effort to set it up, and it is clever use of techniques to do that.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,518
    Lord_Nythrax said:
    This game has the most aggressively stupid community out there, offering the most worthless feedback.
    Got to admit, I always find your feedback top notch. :D


  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 381
    edited November 9
    Cookie said:
    Why would this bother you though?
    The first time i went there i was just running from the luna square.. been looking at vendor and I end up stepping into the portal by mistake..  he's legit IN THE PATH.. (literraly a very bad vendor.. no one would promote a vendor that bad without a 24/7 bots.. if he was legit he wouldn't even bother dropping rune.. this is how bad his vendor is)

    The minimum for a cheater promoting botting like that would be to go on the side of the step.. to not pop 24/7 his shit vendors IN THE PATH everyone is using fpr the bank.. step aside..

    Your so deep u don't see the obvious.


    Cookie said:
    he went to some effort to set it up, and it is clever use of techniques to do that.
    I already read that somewhere.. weird.. u were pretending last time it was just to troll me.. and yet you double down..  :#
    Busted!
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,518
    edited November 9
    Cookie said:
    So for the record, at champ spawns, and these events, it takes 3 throwers to have the same impact as 1 Sampire.
    We all know this, this maybe why you see so many throwers.

    LMAO yeah that's why we see massive flocks of auto-targeting multi-box throwers at every single fight, it's because they're just so underpowered. The scripters farming event items to sell for cash could run other templates and cut their costs by two-thirds while also having an easier time, they just don't because they love paying extra to work harder.

    God damn, how do you even type this stuff with a straight face?

    And no, we absolutely do not see sampire bots at events. Because at an event with other people, they'd have to move around in order to hit anything. Even if their script didn't end up getting them lost, split up, or stuck on an obstacle eventually, they'd end up far behind all the thrower bots, who can target instantly without needing to move or use ammunition.

    Awful post.
    If EJ accounts are restricted, all those massive flocks are now paying.
    What is the problem?


    All I've ever seen is sampire bots by the way, and they have been insanely successful. I've seen their final loot totals.
    Bots and scripts can move characters... wherever you want, however you want, sampires are still 90% of bots - from my experience.

    I cannot believe we are even seeing a sampire complaining. Sampires have completely dominated the game, and they are completely unoriginal.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,518
    KroDuK said:
    Cookie said:
    Why would this bother you though?
    The first time i went there i was just running from the luna square.. been looking at vendor and I end up stepping into the portal by mistake..  he's legit IN THE PATH.. (literraly a very bad vendor.. no one would promote a vendor that bad without a 24/7 bots.. if he was legit he wouldn't even bother dropping rune.. this is how bad his vendor is)

    The minimum for a cheater promoting botting like that would be to go on the side of the step.. to not pop 24/7 his shit vendors IN THE PATH everyone is using fpr the bank.. step aside..

    Your so deep u don't see the obvious.


    Cookie said:
    he went to some effort to set it up, and it is clever use of techniques to do that.
    I already read that somewhere.. weird.. u were pretending last time it was just to troll me.. and yet you double down..  :#
    Busted!
    He could have put it in a better place, I agree.

    But it is your choice if you chose to have a problem with it or not. I don't.
    Honestly, your quality of life would be better, if you don't let these things get to you, there are more serious things in the world, chose your battles :)
    It's not that I am so deep in, I just don't care.
  • FenriswolfFenriswolf Posts: 67
    you guys seem to like arguing with each other other moot points? Ultimately bots and cheats are what ruins a game, without them you can compensate or things tend to work as intended. Everyone has 6 character slots so you can always play a character that isnt hindered by something the DEVs have dreamed up, and playing in a team or solo is also optional.

    Focussing on why they arent getting rid of the bots or cheats is probably more useful....why are they doing that? Is is because most of them are paid accounts and they would lose money? Because they dont know how to find them? They dont have the manpower? What is it?
  • MariahMariah Posts: 3,235Moderator
    It is my understanding that:
    • Lack of leech on paragons inhibits Sampires, reducing them from being the most overpowered template, giving other templates a fighting chance of getting drops.
    • The problem can be overcome by targeting several smaller creatures, giving the leech resource to enable easier defeat of the paragon.
    • Tamers are at a slight disadvantage with paragons because the paragon re-targets onto the tamer instead of the pet. A lament we have seen posted often on this forum.
    • In other words, the event is about as balanced over templates as it can get, considering only legitimate players.
    Why don't cheaters get banned more? I don't know, I'm not a mind reader. If we're going to throw out baseless conspiracy theories, maybe EA won't let them? They the ones controlling the purse strings.
    And now, to stop all the bickering and troll baiting happening here. I'm locking this.
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