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The game does not need automation. Players do not want cheaters in the game.
The devs gave us the clients with the capabilities they want to use.
Yall can go with a more constructive way to get changes in the clients visual capabilities.
Name calling and demeaning the devs and game is going to get NOTHING done.
Do you perform better when some random person is demeaning you and calling you names?
I hope they would not do this. Who knows what is hidden in the code that would gather info from anyone who logged in.
Nothing you say here is true or fact. The CC works fine if you do not have to cheat your way through a game. Funny how I have played for almost 25 years with it, but you say I can not.
The current EC is such a mess that I won't even consider it. It's just way, way, way too ugly, even the menus and such. The devs don't even seem to use it for anything internally.
So you admit we're being asked to pay for a piece of software worse than what other people are giving away for free (or at least you've stopped trying to argue otherwise) but you're personally happy with this... why? And even if you are a masochist who likes paying for bad software just because, what should anyone else take away from this?
Somehow I have played with that issue, so it is not game changing nor makes the game unplayable.
Will be entertaining when they cant log into prodo Shards.
Will someone please tell Pawain they really want to cheat so he can have a moral hobbyhorse to hang his hat on? Right now he's reduced to just sort of saying he likes bad software.
I kind of feel it should be allowed to access that one, don't you?
I'm going to sit on the fence, whilst I'm pointing it out, for those who go on about 3rd party programs and what they do, UO is not much different sometimes in their approach, that is my point.
Norton anti-virus certainly does not like it - it is a high threat - I don't see this so much, and it depends how hung up people want to be about the rules
I think you know me well enough, I am not that hung up about the rules, I prefer common sense.
I do not mind.
On one hand, yes, I think they have a right to. I completely understand their logic for doing it.
Do I think it is needed? That is back to the original debate - are we hard enforcing anti-cheat or not - and I am not for it.
On the other, how much further will they/can they push this? Is that all they are doing?
Do we break one rule, to fix another
That is my point - I get your point, I'm actually cool with it - hence I enabled the patch - but it cannot all be one way, I only raise it, to counter other points being made.
Hi Lord Nythrax,
I don't think I know you ingame.
Just want to say, I completely support everything you have said, and so do most of the player base I play with - Felucca pvpers etc.
We may be the cheaters they all go on about, but, we are having fun, we are in a battle of wits against our opponents, and enjoying ourselves, and the team effort it requires.
We are very active, there are a lot of us.
I would ask the Devs not to mess up our playstyle, as it is one of the most fun playstyles in UO.
I would ask the Devs to support us even, we are pushing UO to new heights.
@Kyronix
@Bleak
I read one poster who posted - how is anything we do even affecting them?
That poster said, our playstyle does not affect what they do.
I agree with that poster.
There is no competition with you, we are not disadvantaging your playstyle.
If there were a competition, we would win hands-down, on any playing field, because that is who we are. BUT, we are not even competing with you. You are in Trammel doing your thing.
To those who say certain ways of play are not available to them - join a guild. I cannot stress how much the way we play UO, is a massive team effort. That is the fun, that is the community for us.
Back to Lord Nythrax, I think you have made your points, there is no need to continue.
I have made my points.
I hope the Devs see it.
I want you, and them to know, there are a huge numbers of players who align with my way of thinking, and playstyle. We do not want you to destroy our playstyle
I will see no reason to keep making further posts.
Can we get a few more forced patches? Thanks!
No reason I promise
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Many of the complaints here are right, the client choices right now aren't the best because neither one offers an experience for everyone, so you're forced to choose what to sacrifice as a player. The 3rd party clients offered a middle ground, which is why people are so up in arms. Honestly, I do think some users are upset about the scripting aspect, but I believe the primary reason is FPS/graphics.
The war against 3rd party clients is a great idea, but peoples' needs must still be met somehow.
Some potential paths forward that would satisfy most users:
- Implement CC graphics option in EC for tiles, sprites and gumps (toggleable back and forth to appease both parties).
- Acquire the MIT licensed open-source code for the 3rd party client and bring it into the fold, removing what needs to be removed and adding what needs to be added to bring it in line with EC and CC, ultimately replacing CC.
- Upgrade CC with a modifiable window size, increased FPS (60), close in on feature parity between CC and EC.
Scripting, botting, etc is bad for UO--no argument there. But a well performing client(s) that appeals to every facet of your audience and reflects 2024 expectations is good for UO.There are other games from the late 90's and early 2000's that have completed this exercise: modernizing their classic experience to today's standards. It's not an outlandish request, especially with NL on the horizon, bringing back old players and potentially introducing new players.
@Bleak
Going to tug at the heart strings here. <span>
My 16 year old son wants to be a Developer.
He loves coding.
He has learned Lua from Roblox, he has learned Python at school, and he is learning JavaScript from UO - of course not intentionally by you guys. He also learns C+.
He is about to start his A Levels which include Computer Science, Maths, Further Maths and Physics, specifically to go in this direction.
All the kids out there, are learning from the current games, they are doing this for fun, they are learning massively from it, this is the way the world is for them, and where many of them will need to go, and the skills they need.
Please help them, help the future, let UO be that guiding light it has always been.
To everyone else - I am a 50+ year old guy. This is all new for me, I was dragged kicking and screaming into it, for starters, other clients play so well, they play mages as they should play, that was the reason I got into it, then as I developed, I learned more, bit by bit, it is fun, it is challenging, it gives you that depth you want, there are no boundaries, this is the whole point.
The reason I started playing UO in the first place, is I am hardcore at everything. I can finish most games in 24 hours solid, that is who I am, I am obsessive, I am competitive. I could not finish UO, you cannot finish it, you develop your own story (and I applaud New Legacy for that point), the current 3rd party scenario gives Veteran players a place to go, to develop ourselves, test us, have fun, challenge us.
Absolutely! That's what I was trying to get at, but may not have been super clear. CC themed UI, tiles, walls, characters, mobs all of it. However, for those who DO like the EC look-and-feel they can use that as well within the same client.
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I think most people using third party clients are using them for a improved experience, not in any way that rises to the level of cheating. I get the sense though that there's a camp here that believes anyone not using the official clients is a cheater full stop, and that's honestly unhelpful. It makes it difficult to have a reasonable discussion about this when tempers flare and personal attacks come out so fast. Hell my last post was pretty salty, and I like think of myself as pretty even keeled, so it just gets harder to have a productive discussion when people approach this topic in such a black and white way.
The fact that people have been making due with the official clients for years is completely irrelevant in the discission about the quality of the official clients. Nothing about the fact that people have been putting up with them for so long invalidates the myriad complaints people have about them, and saying "well i doesn't bother ME" or "Hey I put up with it" doesn't add anything to the discussion either.
A few things I'd like to see in an updated client, however it comes about is a custom, resizable play window (NOT just a small list of resolutions), and this is really an important one: a UI scaler. Let me make the containers bigger if I want, and scale the item sprites too if I want to. A lot of us have aging eyes, have mercy! The better performance of some clients would be nice to see in an official revamp, so would things like ui buttons for macros, counters, buff timers, durability trackers, drag to select healthbars, and something I'd really, really like to see, a true hybrid of EC and CC function, letting us mix and match features we like from the CC and EC freely, instead basically choosing one or the other.