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Thoroughly_Griefed

I am not sure why anyone would want to use this "Illegal" program.  It IS cheating, and cheating defeats the whole purpose of playing the game.  Games are meant to provide a challenge via manipulating the keyboard keys/controls, and pitting your abilities against others.  Using Orion just lets a program do half your work for you.  Perhaps you would like it if it just did everything for you, and you could just sit back and watch it like a movie.  Or, just create "The Button", you run on the screen with everyone, push "The Button", and everyone dies, you win, YAY!!!  Whatever, think about it.

username

These clients need to be blocked and/or the players that have abused them for this long need to be punished.

Multi stage approach:

• Detection
• Keep track of the accounts that use them for a time period
• Ban wave

I really don't have anything against 'cheating' in the game but let me clarify: it's the simple things, such as training skills AND if done attended, I don't see a problem. I'm a softy, what can I say. It's like in Path of Exile having to do Ascendancy for every damn character. However using these clients to run multibox trains AFK in these ToTs, bot farms, and to gain severe advantage in PVP should be completely unacceptable. Not to mention you're just a POS for cheating in PVP. I haven't PVP'd in years and yes, tools existed back then, but they sucked and no where freaking near what I've see from these current ones.

Grimbeard

The concensus amongst the 1000s of redit/discord users is that it's legal by decades of non enforcement 

Jha_dur

Grimbeard said:

The concensus amongst the 1000s of redit/discord users is that it's legal by decades of non enforcement 

I would say as much too.

I have been back a year myself. I was heavily into PvP before I stopped playing regularly around 2016 time frame. I will say that the scene has changed and I would say not for the better. Occasionally you can find an 'honest' fight in which the other person is not automating their fight or is at least automating it in a way that is believable. I will still keep playing for a bit although it is less for the PvP and more for the exploration of UO again. Remembering things I had forgotten and discovering new things. Creating challenged for myself in game.

username said:

These clients need to be blocked and/or the players that have abused them for this long need to be punished.

Multi stage approach:

• Detection
• Keep track of the accounts that use them for a time period
• Ban wave

I think the powers that be know how many people use them and know that if they said "no" those people would pack up their toys and go home. That means less money coming in and nothing good can come from that long term. If the crack down was going to occur it should have occurred years ago before the use of these tools ran off the "honest' players.

If we are talking about it though. I know of a large amount of people who use the program and who do not PvP. They use it because they A. dislike the enhanced client and B. need actual functionality of the classic client. They go hitting the 'ban' button they are signing their own pink slips.

Lord_Frodo

Grimbeard said:

The concensus amongst the 1000s of redit/discord users is that it's legal by decades of non enforcement 

I am not sure because every time you log in you agree to UO/EAs terms and their terms say it is illegal.

CovenantX

There are far fewer people playing UO anymore that aren't using That client.

There's also a lot fewer people playing UO overall.   many because of a complete lack of rule- enforcement.

with the recent announcements regarding thrid-party programs.

Maybe soon, everyone will be using the only legal clients again....  hopefully it's not too late to get some of those players who quit because of this garbage to come back.

Acid_Rain

In my experience, players that cheat are (almost) always going to come back. Doesn’t matter when they get caught & banned, they come back on another account. I’m pretty sure this is understood by management.

Saying “banning cheaters will bankrupt the game” is utterly ridiculous imho. Many cheaters have multiple accounts, 1 to cheat on, 1 as backup if they get caught, and 1 they don't really play to horde all their ill gotten booty. I’ve known dozens of players over +20 yrs that subscribe to this agenda.

Why management does nothing is the single most confounding question regarding UO that I, and MANY others, have been asking for a loooong time.