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"I've had it with the dev bashing."

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  • UrgeUrge Posts: 1,276
    I think we're all just getting old and grouchy.

    OP is partly correct. There are a LOT of things that need work but it is what it is. The majority of us just overlook a lot because there's so much to do that is working. 

    -Vs hasn't been working the best for me lately. I'll grab what i need later. No biggie.
    -I tried to resub another account but it was down. No biggie. I might change my mind and not do it.

    -Bugs and exploits they've proven they're lax on. If i find something cool i'm considering it a feature and running with it. 
  • OreoglOreogl Posts: 431
    Urge said:
    CovenantX said:

      There is a bug report forum, tons of reports, some with and without enough information to easily reproduce... some have been fixed but most have not.

    Well, the devs say to post in the bug section. Then when you do a step by step it gets edited because of the forum rule not to post a step by step. Then it doesn't get fixed because they need more info. But you can't put more info because repeat previous. 

    This actually happened?

    I wouldn’t know how to fix that, other than cut and paste into a DM to the dev(s).
  • shootgunshootgun Posts: 321
    edited March 24
    Urge said:
    -Bugs and exploits they've proven they're lax on. If i find something cool i'm considering it a feature and running with it. 
    What you are saying is the exploits are part of the game and people using exploits that harm other players ability to enjoy the game should not be banned from the game?

    I know this is the official policy for the devs but I am surprised to see player agree with it.
  • UrgeUrge Posts: 1,276
    shootgun said:
    Urge said:
    -Bugs and exploits they've proven they're lax on. If i find something cool i'm considering it a feature and running with it. 
    What you are saying is the exploits are part of the game and people using exploits that harm other players ability to enjoy the game should not be banned from the game?


    I said absolutely nothing about harming another player.

    I've got a couple really cool ones. I can have a stable full of loaded packies. I can collect VvV points while invincible. Both of those were reported years and years and years ago. 
  • UrgeUrge Posts: 1,276
    Oreogl said:
    Urge said:
    CovenantX said:

      There is a bug report forum, tons of reports, some with and without enough information to easily reproduce... some have been fixed but most have not.

    Well, the devs say to post in the bug section. Then when you do a step by step it gets edited because of the forum rule not to post a step by step. Then it doesn't get fixed because they need more info. But you can't put more info because repeat previous. 

    This actually happened?

    I wouldn’t know how to fix that, other than cut and paste into a DM to the dev(s).

    All you have to do is glance at the bug section from Merv. You can submit at uo.com but i suspect those go immediately to the file 13. 
  • CovenantXCovenantX Posts: 991
    Urge said:
    CovenantX said:

      There is a bug report forum, tons of reports, some with and without enough information to easily reproduce... some have been fixed but most have not.

    Well, the devs say to post in the bug section. Then when you do a step by step it gets edited because of the forum rule not to post a step by step. Then it doesn't get fixed because they need more info. But you can't put more info because repeat previous. 

       That's a good point, and it does happen people run into something (normally something they get killed by) and they themselves are using a third-party client when they take a screenshot of the supposed exploit thus their post is edited..    

    There were times (2x) where the exploits I reported required a third-party program to perform, so I PM'd Bleak & Kyronix directly with the information & program used to replicate (one was on stratics, the other here on these forums) and to the devs credit, I believe each of the two exploits were fixed within the following week of each of the reports. -I'm not sure if anyone else reported to them, at least not that I can verify, 

    That's also one of the problems with 'letting third-party clients go',, it makes it more difficult for people to report, especially those who don't normally run third-party clients in addition, the people who do run these clients aren't likely to report the issue because they also use the exploit to their advantage,


    Remove or change casting focus & poison immunity it reduces the need for "Player Skill" it's garbage. rant2 Bring timing back and eliminate chance in pvp!
    ICQ# 478 633 659
  • OreoglOreogl Posts: 431
    Urge said:
    shootgun said:
    Urge said:
    -Bugs and exploits they've proven they're lax on. If i find something cool i'm considering it a feature and running with it. 
    What you are saying is the exploits are part of the game and people using exploits that harm other players ability to enjoy the game should not be banned from the game?


    I said absolutely nothing about harming another player.

    I've got a couple really cool ones. I can have a stable full of loaded packies. I can collect VvV points while invincible. Both of those were reported years and years and years ago. 
    I wish loaded pack animals were still a normal thing.  

    I recall doing that years ago when I was a red in bucs den.  I don’t believe you could access the bank or perhaps it was just because I was constantly flagged.  (Let alone getting guard whacked for daring to have the nerve for going into a guard zone.)
  • NikonUSNikonUS Posts: 28
    The OP is 1/2 right
    This kind of post would be ok but the OP like drama, the OP like to post everyday just bashing the devil, bashing the game, never happy. I have to say like many others already did. If the game is that bad, just leave, we been here for 25 years, bad or not , we love this game and we will stay for another 10,20 if possible. You will gain nothing , I mean nothing at all, to just act the you you do.

    The idea of the post was not bad if you leave all the attacks aside.

    I agreed with some of the topics and yes , I agreed that we all pay for the game, that there is only 3 devs and a producer and their focus are on the NL that no one really asked for it.
    Lot of people that are current testing the NL and share their opinions on slack and discord are very worried, NL is full of bugs and they are rushing to release anything.

    I agree that they could be more open and not only use the m&g where mesanna will just say no to everything that she is not happy with. It os very annoying tbh.

    Many people gave ideas to add things to in-game store, which would bring more $ to the game and she just refuse to listen to anyone.
  • shootgunshootgun Posts: 321
    edited March 24
    NikonUS said:
    Lot of people that are current testing the NL and share their opinions on slack and discord are very worried, NL is full of bugs and they are rushing to release anything.

    Why am I not surprised that NL will be a total crap?
    I agree that they could be more open and not only use the m&g where mesanna will just say no to everything that she is not happy with. It os very annoying tbh.
    I suspect severe narcissistic personality disorder with bonnie/mesanna. Everything we hear from the people that were once around her point to this conclusion. Read the reddit thread from one of the exGMs.

    It is my understanding that her only other job in life was being a support rep on the phone. She probably feels very challenged when real smart people make real good suggestions. 

    Mesanna/bonnie needs to go.
  • PawainPawain Posts: 9,994
    shootgun said:
     She probably feels very challenged when real smart people make real good suggestions. 

    She wont be getting any of those from you.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • CovenantXCovenantX Posts: 991
    perhaps there should be an option for moderators to ban certain posters from specific threads, instead of locking the thread, block the posters so the thread(s) can stay mostly productive.

    probably should have been a thing since the beginning, but it's not too late until it is.
    Remove or change casting focus & poison immunity it reduces the need for "Player Skill" it's garbage. rant2 Bring timing back and eliminate chance in pvp!
    ICQ# 478 633 659
  • PawainPawain Posts: 9,994
    CovenantX said:
    perhaps there should be an option for moderators to ban certain posters from specific threads, instead of locking the thread, block the posters so the thread(s) can stay mostly productive.

    probably should have been a thing since the beginning, but it's not too late until it is.
    What is productive about this Topic or the OP?  Its is just a compilation of his other posts.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,268
    Pawain said:
    CovenantX said:
    perhaps there should be an option for moderators to ban certain posters from specific threads, instead of locking the thread, block the posters so the thread(s) can stay mostly productive.

    probably should have been a thing since the beginning, but it's not too late until it is.
    What is productive about this Topic or the OP?  Its is just a compilation of his other posts.
    You can ignore in game cheats and bugs because it doesn't effect your game play but can't ignore post on forums ?
  • CovenantXCovenantX Posts: 991
    Pawain said:
    CovenantX said:
    perhaps there should be an option for moderators to ban certain posters from specific threads, instead of locking the thread, block the posters so the thread(s) can stay mostly productive.

    probably should have been a thing since the beginning, but it's not too late until it is.
    What is productive about this Topic or the OP?  Its is just a compilation of his other posts.
       complaints about legitimate issues in the game?   I thought it was obvious.

    Remove or change casting focus & poison immunity it reduces the need for "Player Skill" it's garbage. rant2 Bring timing back and eliminate chance in pvp!
    ICQ# 478 633 659
  • FeigrFeigr Posts: 512
    Obviously, I have opposing opinions on this.  On one hand I think it's definitely better to be supportive of the people creating a luxury enjoyment for you.  On the other hand, they are charging a premium for a near three decade old service and can't seem to keep up with more affordable options.  Playing on an official version of the game should make players feel secure that things are going to be working and that bugs will be fixed or new things will be built. 

    But, so far for me, it feels like I'm paying for an inferior product to what I could get somewhere else.  And I know this is going to get people trying to defend the game and say "Don't let the doorknob hit ya."  But clever sayings and quips don't change the facts.  I regret buying a 6 month pass when I came back this time.  I regret dropping $50 on sovereigns.  I'm just not having fun, unfortunately.

    If that's "Bashing", then I'd argue that you just have too low of a tolerance for feedback.
  • PawainPawain Posts: 9,994
    edited March 25
    Feigr said:
    Obviously, I have opposing opinions on this.  On one hand I think it's definitely better to be supportive of the people creating a luxury enjoyment for you.  On the other hand, they are charging a premium for a near three decade old service and can't seem to keep up with more affordable options.  Playing on an official version of the game should make players feel secure that things are going to be working and that bugs will be fixed or new things will be built. 

    But, so far for me, it feels like I'm paying for an inferior product to what I could get somewhere else.  And I know this is going to get people trying to defend the game and say "Don't let the doorknob hit ya."  But clever sayings and quips don't change the facts.  I regret buying a 6 month pass when I came back this time.  I regret dropping $50 on sovereigns.  I'm just not having fun, unfortunately.

    If that's "Bashing", then I'd argue that you just have too low of a tolerance for feedback.

    If you are not having fun then you should move along or accept that the money per month is worth keeping it to just play casually.  I play Wingspan a lot.  In a year Ill play 5 or 6 different games to the end.

    Have yall not seen what available on Steam!?

    UO does not have an end nor do you run out of things to accomplish.

    I can't buy Diablo 4 because I know I would spend at least 2 years on that and nothing else.
    Focus on what you can do, not what you can't.
  • FeigrFeigr Posts: 512
    I play a lot of different games.

    That's not the topic.  The topic is the quality of UO.  Saying "Just go play something else." is not an argument for why UO can't be better or can't suffer criticism.
  • usernameusername Posts: 846
    edited March 25
    The bootlickers make it sound like having a website down every weekend+ is the normal. 
    Like having a working forum is equivalent to climbing to the peak of Mt Everest. 

    "They're trying their best"
    "Minor things don't annoy me"
    "If it doesn't work when I try I'll just try again later"
    "It's not happening and doesn't bother me"
    "27 year old spaghetti code"

    HOLY THE AMOUNT OF COPING IS INSANE.


    Like having basic functions in game just.... work..... is asking too much? The website being down every other day and forum not working is embarrassing plain and simple. Vendor search still unstable after 4 years is hilarious.
    Sure, you can't ever get rid of cheaters 100%. Sure, servers crash occasionally and there's nothing you can do about it. Etc. I don't expect that list to ever be fulfilled. But giving up and throwing in the towel to work on NL is a joke.
    Find me another game with these issues outstanding as long as UO has. You cannot.

    "Just find another game". How about no? No one should be forced to quit because of this. They are running a business, not the other way around. If our glorious leaders cannot fix this stuff, THEY should quit:
    • Hire people that can fix it
    • Step down and allow someone else to take over to lead fixing it

    Suggestion:
    Anyone working on NL that works on the website/forum immediately focuses on these two until they're fixed. Let's start there.
    This discussion has been closed.

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  • Lord_FrodoLord_Frodo Posts: 2,421
    edited March 25
    username said:
    website down every weekend+ 
    This is a crock of BULLCRAP.  The poster just loves to greatly exaggerate everything to try and prove a point and bash UO.  Yes UO has problems but according to OP UO is totally broken and unplayable.  Today is Sunday, you know part of the weekend and UO.COM is up, what you have UO.Com blocked somehow to try and prove your point yourself and by the way I was on UO.COM yesterday also.  Cheating has been going on for 20+ years and now is is this GREAT problem, what a joke.  Do I like it no but every game has cheaters.
  • FeigrFeigr Posts: 512
    It's had disruption every weekend I've been back.  And the wiki is here.  I'm not claiming it's a big deal, but it's a deal.
  • Lord_FrodoLord_Frodo Posts: 2,421
    Feigr said:
    It's had disruption every weekend I've been back.  And the wiki is here.  I'm not claiming it's a big deal, but it's a deal.
    I go to UO.COM almost every day and every weekend and there have been some but never every weekend.  Yes there is a problem with UO Forum and google and google admitted it is there problem and IMHO google sees it as a very low priority.
  • usernameusername Posts: 846
    edited March 25
    username said:
    website down every weekend+ 
    This is a crock of BULLCRAP.  The poster just loves to greatly exaggerate everything to try and prove a point and bash UO.  Yes UO has problems but according to OP UO is totally broken and unplayable.  Today is Sunday, you know part of the weekend and UO.COM is up, what you have UO.Com blocked somehow to try and prove your point yourself and by the way I was on UO.COM yesterday also.  Cheating has been going on for 20+ years and now is is this GREAT problem, what a joke.  Do I like it no but every game has cheaters.
    Here's the cope train. All aboard, huff that good copium. You can go through my post history, I've posted NUMEROUS times where the website has been down on the weekends. Stop trying to gaslight. Fact is the website should NEVER be down aside scheduled maintenance and the one in a million power outage/lightning strike/act of god. It's 2024, not 1992. Have you ever ran a website? Didn't think so. I've ran several good 'ol godaddy (and other) $20/yr hosting with free domain/icann registration that never was down. Several VPS running this and that. Hell I've even hosted several on a LAMP server DMZ'd on my own connection, a residential connection, that never went down (aside power outages). How can I run my own website hosted at my house on my residential connection that goes down for 2 minutes a year but UO can't their website up on weekends for the last handful weekends? They must need some domain/hosting viagra.

    Feigr said:
    It's had disruption every weekend I've been back.  And the wiki is here.  I'm not claiming it's a big deal, but it's a deal.

    Thank you for being honest. I do agree and it's not a huge deal for me... sucks when I go to check it to see what events are on the weekends or something on the wiki and it's down but otherwise I don't really care. Clearly doesn't mean I don't think it should be fixed, though. I think many of the other posters are too selfish and don't understand this: while I don't personally care or doesn't personally affect me doesn't mean I (or the devs) should ignore it and not hope it gets fixed. It's attitudes of those posters that probably rubs off on the devs so they don't bother fixing it.
    This discussion has been closed.

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  • FeigrFeigr Posts: 512
    Lord_Frodo said:
    Feigr said:
    It's had disruption every weekend I've been back.  And the wiki is here.  I'm not claiming it's a big deal, but it's a deal.
    I go to UO.COM almost every day and every weekend and there have been some but never every weekend.  Yes there is a problem with UO Forum and google and google admitted it is there problem and IMHO google sees it as a very low priority.

    I have no idea what you're talking about with Google.  When Youtube started combating adblockers I changed from Chrome to Firefox.  I don't have issues on the forum.  I have to log in everyday, once.  But I understand that's their way of proactively allowing subscribers only to post. 

    If you're trying to change this topic to the log in issue, then yes, I do think that's within Broadsword's control.  You don't see people complaining on other websites about the issue.  Broadsword went with obviously out of the box server software.  The log in cookies and how Chrome reads it may be broken for their specific software, but I bet there's a patch out there for it unless this is truly just a basic forum server software.

    But, back on topic, the main website has definitely been down every weekend I've been back. The forum has been fine.
  • usernameusername Posts: 846
    edited March 25
    Feigr said:The forum has been fine.
    It's an issue with Chromium based browsers and the vanilla forum software. Yes, everyone is logged out every 24 hours but when logging it doesn't stick and you have to try to log in sometimes 100's of times to get it to 'stick'. Other posters say it's a Google issue... well, I am waiting to see where Google has admitted it's their problem that only seems to affect the uo forums. Any posters have a source for that? Didn't think so.

    "nearly two-thirds of the global population uses Chrome to browse the internet." Considering Chrome is one of their biggest products I highly doubt they'd let that slide for that long. 

    The specific forum error can be found in another one of my posts. Googling that issue shows people with the errors as far back as 2015, so clearly nothing new as other posters have claimed (SHOCKER). The solution, as stated by other users of the forum software, they say is basically 1 of 2 things: it's a setup issue with server side authentication (<<< PROBABLY THE PROBLEM RIGHT HERE HELLO!) or the forum software needs updating. No idea if those are actually the solutions in uo's case. However, I am able to find several other games/forums that use the same forum software and there are no mentions of login issues, again leading me to believe it's something on UO.com's setup. 



    I will leave everyone with this bit of information:

    Almost everything in UO is fixable: website downtime, forum login, vendor search, 'the clients', etc. so if it's not fixed it's either:
    • They are ignoring it and/or don't want to fix it -> NL before everything else
    • Their team doesn't know how to fix it -> can be fixed but current staff doesn't know how to 
    Sad state either way.
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  • keven2002keven2002 Posts: 2,260
    If you are not having fun then you should move along

    Have yall not seen what available on Steam!?

    UO does not have an end nor do you run out of things to accomplish.

    I can't buy Diablo 4 because I know I would spend at least 2 years on that and nothing else.
     While you can't make everyone happy, this seems like this probably is not a great attitude to have for the Dev team because at some point they won't have enough money to keep the lights on if they don't at least try to make the paying customers happy.
  • CovenantXCovenantX Posts: 991
    Pawain said:

    I can't buy Diablo 4 because I know I would spend at least 2 years on that and nothing else.
       idk, Diablo 4 was quite disappointing imo...  for a game that had 2 expansions in development before the base-game was even released it wasn't even as good as D3.   it can be turned around, the main issue with it is that the end-game is non-existent.... pretty boring from levels 80-100 (100 is the current cap)         -the beta tests where the level caps were 20 & 15 (ircc) were more fun than the full release, so far anyway.        surely that'll actually be fixed though.

    Remove or change casting focus & poison immunity it reduces the need for "Player Skill" it's garbage. rant2 Bring timing back and eliminate chance in pvp!
    ICQ# 478 633 659
  • AtomicBettyAtomicBetty Posts: 292
    CovenantX said:
    Pawain said:

    I can't buy Diablo 4 because I know I would spend at least 2 years on that and nothing else.
       idk, Diablo 4 was quite disappointing imo...  for a game that had 2 expansions in development before the base-game was even released it wasn't even as good as D3.   it can be turned around, the main issue with it is that the end-game is non-existent.... pretty boring from levels 80-100 (100 is the current cap)         -the beta tests where the level caps were 20 & 15 (ircc) were more fun than the full release, so far anyway.        surely that'll actually be fixed though.

    I was bored of Diablo 4 before level 5 the game just wasn't fun. 

  • FeigrFeigr Posts: 512
    It's got a good story and a single playthrough is worth it.  IMO it's just like Diablo 3.  A bunch of people vocal about the bad things, and righteously, but a core group that enjoy it keeping it going.  It also sold really well even though a lot of people said they didn't like it.
  • FeigrFeigr Posts: 512
    edited March 26
    It's down again if anyone is bothering to keep count.  But, at this point it feels like bullying to keep bringing it up.
  • usernameusername Posts: 846
    edited March 26
    Feigr said:
    It's down again if anyone is bothering to keep count.  But, at this point it feels like bullying to keep bringing it up.
    You beat me to it. Just sat down for the evening and ...



    "This is a crock of BULLCRAP.  The poster just loves to greatly exaggerate everything to try and prove a point and bash UO."

    Prove a point we have. We really don't even need to bash UO, it does it to itself.

    @Lord_Frodo ??????????????????????????
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