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Mature Eggs in Hidden Chests : Does Luck really work or not ?

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  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,420
    Ahua said:
    Even online casinos, are programmed in such a way that they give 95-99% back to the players.
    Wait, what?

    Ahua said:
    No conflicts of interests here, I am interested because philosophically, this does affect my gameplay and..
    Oh, I see!
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,420
    edited 6:58AM
    Oreogl said:
    I think I will just buy the egg and call it a day.
    The rarity ain't a problem for a good sandbox..


    This eggs is pure joy for any optimize theorycrafter out there, wich is the problem if we consider it's rarity...


    The main problem, imo, is how brokenly OP this is.. It out damage everything except the hound pack?
    Plus it starts, all clean and fresh? A brand new fresh BiS, instead of a brand new BiS.

    Imagine how dumb it would be to have every single user of a said template, on a sandbox, all using the same BiS items like a weap.... oh wait.. nevermind.. you are correct, the rarity is THE problem.  :* 
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,420
    edited 7:02AM
    Just to be clear, to me an egg like that.. it's a theorycrafter heaven design for tamers, good for sandbox.. It shouldn't be the new hype BiS pet.. It should have been everything else, type of stuff.
    Does people still use Rune Beetle?  :/


    Doing something BiS that rare.. yes, even knowing it's supply gonna spiral soon enough.. Is just doing the same mistake over and over that was done by AoS.. considering they distribute every f'ing BiS out there like candy during their temp event.. this is mental... all and nothing.. pick your temporary poison  :D


    When I say everything else.. it could have been an item to extract eggs from a variety of wild animals out there.. like those that could use some love? A sandox tool, with good hardcap/limitation?! Instead of more of this..

    Let's just do what AoS did while we still temporarly handing those brand new BiS like candies for halloween!
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • AhuaAhua Posts: 43
    You don't need to make every interaction with me so emotional Sir. :P

    Yes *online* casinos  are regulated and do not solely use a RNG. A casino is forced to "spread out" extra opportunities to win if the rate is bad over a determined period, so math is applied after the RNG.

    This is well known, the machines are also usually programmed this way. There is a math calculation also to make sure the house keeps its edge, so it remains profitable for them. So you could be lucky with the RNG and finally the math says you're not.

    I guess its a two layer RNG, you can get lucky to get lucky... and vice-versa. Which is pretty much what is discussed here, usually those systems are tested to make sure they return the proper math. This keeps it technically fair, while remaining non subjective because those extra chances to win or lose are applied equally to all depending on the current rate.

    In the current situation here, those with more accounts would be more advantaged to be "assigned" an extra chances to win (very logical for Broadsword). So when the lucky ones log in, that "flag" would be used and removed.

    No need to keep tabs on more players than those who have been randomly selected to have that big luck boost. This way the rate of return is equalized and spread out, not favoring the sole single person farming, but the collectivity.

    I would also add an equation that identifies who got a lot of drops and give them more chance to get a RNG penalty, but we circle back to the first problem, I'm sure many would be against it. So maybe not use a penalty, but just a boost in this situation.

    Win-Win.

    Everyone happy.


  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,420
    edited 7:19AM
    Ahua said:
    You don't need to make every interaction with me so emotional Sir. :P

    Yes *online* casinos  are regulated and do not solely use a RNG. A casino is forced to "spread out" extra opportunities to win if the rate is bad over a determined period, so math is applied after the RNG...
    I will stop here.. cuz...


    Where I live the governement is regulating ALL gambling (wich is VERY RARE).. even online.. they theoretically giving back 48% and banking 52%.

    Almost all online casinos are not regulated and even if they are.. I would believe the opposite of what you said.. 95-99% of the money is going to the house while gambler gets 1-5%.. but yeah, you are full of poop.


    When u said I have no conflicts of interest AND it does affect me personally.. I was crying man.
    I'll give you that.. you are funny.. VERY funny.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 3,317
    KroDuK said:
    Just to be clear, to me an egg like that.. it's a theorycrafter heaven design for tamers, good for sandbox.. It shouldn't be the new hype BiS pet.. It should have been everything else, type of stuff.
    Does people still use Rune Beetle?  :/


    Doing something BiS that rare.. yes, even knowing it's supply gonna spiral soon enough.. Is just doing the same mistake over and over that was done by AoS.. considering they distribute every f'ing BiS out there like candy during their temp event.. this is mental... all and nothing.. pick your temporary poison  :D


    When I say everything else.. it could have been an item to extract eggs from a variety of wild animals out there.. like those that could use some love? A sandox tool, with good hardcap/limitation?! Instead of more of this..

    Let's just do what AoS did while we still temporarly handing those brand new BiS like candies for halloween!
    If you were actually playing you'd know it's far from bis...
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,420
    Grimbeard said:
    it's far from bis...
    Noted.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • poppspopps Posts: 4,364
    edited 7:42AM

    Ahua said:
    This is certainly a multi faceted problem, pun intended.

    I mean the whole conversation although full of arguments, is still up for grabs.

    Are they supposed to be a fun reward, or something really rare?

    And if there is real rarity only based on RNG, what does it serve?

    Fun? or something else?

    I think I am leaning towards Popps's opinion right now.

    Where is the added fun?

    However I will also say that this conversation also sadly always ends the same.

    It's taboo because it indirectly generates funds...

    It's more important IMO not to burn your players. Even online casinos, are programmed in such a way that they give 95-99% back to the players. That is right, if the RNG plays bad, it will be influenced to play good, just to fit the stats so its fair*ER* for everybody.

    No conflicts of interests here, I am interested because philosophically, this does affect my gameplay and UX.





    It's more important IMO not to burn your players.

    It can also get worse then being just difficult to get an egg for a casual player... not only getting a Mature egg can get depressing (I have heard on Chat of players using lots and lots of artifact drops to get many, many Nest Maps and then still remaining empty handed and not having rewards from the turn in NPCs because they used most if not all of their points for Nest Maps... or spending countless hours and days over days of findining hidden chests without seeing a Mature egg...), but even if a player gets an egg, it might not come in the color which they like which "could" be a lesser issue if there were fellow players willing to trade different colored eggs (although some colors might be more wanted then others and, so, more difficult to be able to trade for them...) but the Dragons have their wrestling which has a spawn range from 110.0 to 130.0 so, if a player wanted to get a better wrestling Dragon in the right color which they like, with such a difficulty in getting just 1 Mature egg, imagine getting multiple ones until the right one shows up...

    Luckily, though, the good news is that the spawn for Nests, the Matriarch and Mature eggs is going to be permanent so, if a wanted Mature egg does not show up during the Event it will be possible to continue trying to get it after the Event ends.

    Yet, I would still prefer a system with a counter whereas, after X hidden chests or X Nests have been found, the system would boost significantly the chances at seeing a Mature egg spawn and then, when it eventually does, the counter would reset for a new cycle.
  • AhuaAhua Posts: 43
    edited 8:01AM
    Wow KD you are so full of judgement and prejudice, you didn't even stop to think.

    Yes the fact that people are frustrated with this event, directly affects me, everyone tells me they are too busy to do anything else, they must have that egg at all costs. But I guess I'm glad it made you laugh. I have no conflict of interests on this RNG subject, I will not get eggs nor have I ever even had a vendor in game or ever even sold anything in and out of game.  

    And if you bothered to look it up, you'd know the gambling regulations make it so they are supposed to give back most of what they take in, the edge is good because it is guaranteed, not because it is huge.

    Of course unregulated casinos I guess exist, before you bring it up again lol... 8)
  • AhuaAhua Posts: 43
    Which is why I proposed this solution popps, your way the boost would be subjective, my way the boost would be objective to another RNG. That RNG would just make sure that eventually after a period of time everyone gets a shot.

    This makes "farmer" accounts as likely to get a luck boost, more fair for everyone objectively.

    You will find stout opposition to a solution that is subjective in the current lets say paradoxical circumstances.

    Honestly its not my business... but it sure has a vibe, and does affect the players who don't even think about all this indirectly.



  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,420
    edited 9:13AM
                                                                         :D

    Fudging Popps that demolish your argument even before it was made..
    PS: that was not even an argument.. affect you directly or undirectly.. you still have a conflict of interest big dawg.

     popps said:
    Luckily, though, Mature eggs.. permanent so... possible to.. get it after the Event ends.




    Ahua said:
    Of course unregulated casinos I guess exist, before you bring it up again lol... 8)
    We were talking onlines, correct?
    If we speaking casinos.. like in Vegas?
    Those are legit criminal organization regulating themselves. For those we should regulate the winners.. a money laundering machine scheme.




    As for the eggs.. Y'all trying to fix (lol) the problem without addressing it.. delightful;
    Popps likes the extra candy after a certain number of chests.. (or he'd ask for a fix number of points)
    You want a boost for totally not multi boxing matriarchs.. The totally legit cookie stuff.


    PS2: You don't even realise it, but.. We agree on something; you also asking for more drop on Felucca (risk vs reward / gambling that include some sort of skill, like sports betting)
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • AhuaAhua Posts: 43
    edited 9:15AM
    yes the casinos just an example to explain what could work here... we know what you think the problem is, that's for sure o.0, not many posts on the boards so when I read around I quickly knew how you see current issues. I'm not here to debate you but to add ideas that might or might not be used.

    the goal is not to talk bout casinos or my puny irrelevant conflict of interest lol, its a game.

    Goal is finding a balance, trying to be constructive. As I said it does not have to be emotional.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,420
    edited 9:30AM
    Ahua said:
    not many posts on the boards so when I read around I quickly..
    C'mon now.. stop, the bad roleplay.

    Ahua said:
    but to add ideas that...
    We know the agenda..

    Ahua said:
    Goal is finding a balance..
    This is why I mention y'all ain't addressing the problem.. That very rare reward should have been something totally different.. a good sandbox tool to make a good sandbox game.. not THE sandbox tool for THE new Theme Park beauty of the month.

    The AoS touch they brang back.. was THE major mistake that was made.. if we speak rarity.

    At this point, I'd rather they put it on EA store with a front page pub everytime you log in.. Let's not be mean.. they should put it on the cash cash when the event end. Just cut the middle affiliate man.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • AhuaAhua Posts: 43
    edited 10:13AM
    The problem KD, is that you argue everything in anything, so if we're just trying to give feedback or possible solution paths (like I did, take some and leave some), you pit every part against that biggest mistake (according to you) ever we can't argue against.

    I'm pretty sure that it won't happen because you keep repeating it.

    I think quite the opposite actually, anyways. That was my part in this thread, over.

    "the AgEnDa" 0.o
  • MariahMariah Posts: 3,641Moderator
    Sorry, thread hijack over.
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