An imbuing question to expert crafters...

popps · September 28

I imbued an exceptionally crafted Gnarled Staff after applying a Whetstone (so 600 max imbuing weight) with the following properties :

- 62 Hit Mana Leech (weight 110)

- 62 Hit Life Leech (weight 110)

- 50 Hit Lower Defense (weight 130)

- 50 Hit Lightning (weight 140)

- 30 Swing Speed Increase (weight 110)

Total imbuing weight 600/600

The Hit Mana Leech and Hit Life Leech were 62 each, infact, I imbued last the Hit Life Leech and the imbuing gump displayed that the chance to imbue was about 16% and that the total weight would be 600 out of 600 and I failed many times before succeeding.

Then, after POF, I used a Forged Artifact charge to enhance with ASH to add 10% Swing Speed Increase for a total of 40% SSI , 20% Lower Requirements and 75% Lower Weight.

After the enhancing, I did get the 40% SSI, 20% Lower Requirements and 75% Lower Weight but, the Hit Mana Leech dropped to 56% from the 62% I had imbued and also the Hit Life Leech dropped to 56% from the 62% I had imbued.

What gives ?

Can anyone give a rational explaination to this or did I hit a bug ?

Should the order of imbuing matter, I Imbued in this order...

1st - 50% Hit Lightining (140 weight)

2nd - 50% Hit Lower Defense (130 weight)

3rd - I wanted to imbue the 62% Hit Mana Leech but, I am not sure why, the imbuing gump, when increasing the percentage in small increments would not let me reach 62% but only 61% so, since this odd thing happened before to me when imbuing, I went with imbuing here 30% Swing Speed Increase as before the Hit Mana Leech (110 weight)

4th - 62% Hit Mana Leech (110 weight) as I mentioned, when imbuing this "after" having imbued the 30% SSI, I was now able to reach 62% Hit Mana Leech as I wanted as compared to "before" imbuing SSI where I could only reach 61% Hit Mana Leech (go figure why...)

5th - 62% Hit Life Leech and, as I mentioned, the imbuing gump showed when imbuing this that I would reach 600/600 weight and I had a chance of roughly 16% (perhaps 16.2% ?) infact, I failed many times before succeeding, with loss of imbuing mats.

Does anyone know why, when trying to imbue the Hit Mana Leech or Hit Life Leech "before" SSI I could only get up t 61% and, instead, when doing it "after" having imbued SSI I could indeed select on the imbuing gump 62% ? Why is that ?

KroDuK · September 28

popps said:

After the enhancing, I did get the 40% SSI, 20% Lower Requirements and 75% Lower Weight but, the Hit Mana Leech dropped to 56% from the 62% I had imbued and also the Hit Life Leech dropped to 56% from the 62% I had imbued.

What gives ?

Can anyone give a rational explaination to this or did I hit a bug ?

Should the order of imbuing matter, I Imbued in this order...

Does anyone know why, when trying to imbue the Hit Mana Leech or Hit Life Leech "before" SSI I could only get up t 61% and, instead, when doing it "after" having imbued SSI I could indeed select on the imbuing gump 62% ? Why is that ?

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/skills/imbuing/#restrict

popps · September 28

KroDuK said:

popps said:

After the enhancing, I did get the 40% SSI, 20% Lower Requirements and 75% Lower Weight but, the Hit Mana Leech dropped to 56% from the 62% I had imbued and also the Hit Life Leech dropped to 56% from the 62% I had imbued.

What gives ?

Can anyone give a rational explaination to this or did I hit a bug ?

Should the order of imbuing matter, I Imbued in this order...

Does anyone know why, when trying to imbue the Hit Mana Leech or Hit Life Leech "before" SSI I could only get up t 61% and, instead, when doing it "after" having imbued SSI I could indeed select on the imbuing gump 62% ? Why is that ?

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/skills/imbuing/#restrict

Thank you, that explains why, trying to imbue Hit-Leech properties (Mana and Life) "before" SSI I could only get to 61% Hit-Leech while imbuing them "after" imbuing the SSI I was able, as I wanted, to imbue the Hit-Leech properties to 62%.

But what about the "drop" of the two Hit-Leech properties, after I had succesfully imbued both of them to 62%, down to 56% after that I enhanced with ASH, using the Forged Metal of Artifacts ?

How can this be explained, if there is an explaination (or did I hit a bug ?).

KroDuK · September 28

Image: https://forum.uo.com/uploads/editor/vq/r45jfx3zs0qv.png

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/skills/imbuing/#restrict

I know you are gonna point out, you did imbue SS first and only enhanced more SS after u did imbue leech properties.. same result.. it's an imbued items u did enhance with more SS.

PS: let's not play dumb please, thx!.. it's black on white.. "will cause the leech intensity to drop"

PS2: even if Mariah fix the "imbuing SS" for ADDING SS.. it wouldn't change anything for you.. u'd still lose that forged hammer charge.. cuz u clearly havn't read the restriction first on the wiki.. took me 3 min to find your problem.. as someone who NEVER imbued.. I was still leveling my imbuer before giving up on BS.

Mariah · September 28

The page clearly says 'The maximum intensity of hit-leech properties is related to weapon speed'. That relationship stays no matter how you change the weapon speed. Faster weapons have lower leech.

KroDuK · September 28

I totally agree.. I didn't point that part.. cuz..

Now he's coming back at you for the 61%
Good luck on that. (cuz logicly in this process it's the opposite, faster weapons have higher % potential leech)

PS: just change the "formulation" for "add".. you're going to be "do not drink" resistant proof.

Mariah · September 28

sorry, my bad, I should have said @popps, I wasn't criticizing you:)

KroDuK · September 28

oh not I meant.. after reading your explanation, he's coming back for the 61% leech properties part.. he was cap at 61%.. after imbuing 30% SS he could go to 62%

You're telling him faster weapon have lower leech.

Edit: like I never imbue but from what I'm seeing here.. if the 61% is true it's the opposite.
I thought his leech properties went from 62 to 56 for math reason (formula; link to the same "excel SS square")
if u do 38 dmg per second instead of 36 (random numbers) since the leech is bound to that.. u can assume, at the end; his 62% leech on a 30% SS is the same as a 56% on a 40%

PS: I never imbued.. only assumption.
I was not butthurt.

popps · September 28

KroDuK said:

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/skills/imbuing/#restrict

I know you are gonna point out, you did imbue SS first and only enhanced more SS after u did imbue leech properties.. same result.. it's an imbued items u did enhance with more SS.

PS: let's not play dumb please, thx!.. it's black on white.. "will cause the leech intensity to drop"

PS2: even if Mariah fix the "imbuing SS" for ADDING SS.. it wouldn't change anything for you.. u'd still lose that forged hammer charge.. cuz u clearly havn't read the restriction first on the wiki.. took me 3 min to find your problem.. as someone who NEVER imbued.. I was still leveling my imbuer before giving up on BS.

I am now getting confused...

"If" I understood correctly, "the more" the SSI, "the more" the Hit-Leeches that can be imbued.

And that explains why, "before" imbuing SSI I could not get to 62% Hit-Leeches but I could to 61% but "after" imbuing 30% SSI, I could then imbue the 62% Hit-Leeches which I actually imbued, both.

What I do not understand is why, "further increasing" SSI trough enhancing with ASH of another 10% (so a total of 40% SSI), the two Hit-Leeches which I had already imbued to 62% each, dropped without me doing anything down to 56%, both.

I raised SSI of another 10% so, the 62% Hit-Leeches that I was able to imbue at 30% SSI should have stayed then, when SSI further raised up to 40% through enhancing, not drop down to 56%. Yet, they did drop after I had already successfully imbued them to 62%, both.

What gives ?

KroDuK · September 28

Keep reading.

Edit: here.. pretty sure you gained 6% more damage per second on the raw numbers from the weapon itself when u added that 10% SSI. Wich would explain the 6% lost in your properties.. assuming what everyone saying is correct.. I still have no idea of what i'm talking about.

popps · September 28

KroDuK said:

oh not I meant.. after reading your explanation, he's coming back for the 61% leech properties part.. he was cap at 61%.. after imbuing 30% SS he could go to 62%

You're telling him faster weapon have lower leech.

Edit: like I never imbue but from what I'm seeing here.. if the 61% is true it's the opposite.
I thought his leech properties went from 62 to 56 for math reason (formula; link to the same "excel SS square")
if u do 38 dmg per second instead of 36 (random numbers) since the leech is bound to that.. u can assume, at the end; his 62% leech on a 30% SS is the same as a 56% on a 40%

PS: I never imbued.. only assumption.
I was not butthurt.

his 62% leech on a 30% SS is the same as a 56% on a 40%

The thing is, that I had already imbued, successfully, the two hit-Leeches to 62% with 30% SSI...

And I was within the 600/600 imbuing weight CAP doing that.

Then, after all the imbuing was done, I enhanced with ASH to get an extra 10% SSI so as to reach a total of 40% SSI which I was expecting to sit on the weapon WITH the two 62% Hit-Leeches which I had already imbued...

Instead, I saw them drop down to 56%, both... and this, I do not understand but would like to understand why it happened...

KroDuK · September 28

@Mariah ;

@popps make an effort tho, her wording is confusing but 100% accurate.. meanwhile pretty sure my assumption are correct.. if u were leeching 84 mana per minutes at 62%/30% pretty sure (only consider the weapon) at 56%/40% u still leeching 84 mana u still dealing 6% more dmg.

Overall what i'm saying is if u ain't cappin that attack speed u did not lose your charge.
If u do cap it and didn't needed that extra 10% SSI, u've just lost 6% leeches and your charge.

JackFlashUk · September 28

Can someone make it for him

reading between the vast wall of crap, which of course i didnt Thats what he wants

Popps is wrong. Wont accept it and the game needs to change to meet his requirements. As per normal

its a knarled staff. Not a cure for worlf hunger. Who cres

JackFlashUk · September 28

Don’t forget it will go onto his super duper Samp, tamer, crafter, miner, necro mage weaver stick hitting fisher nonsense armour char anyway so it does not really help anyone

ChumboWumbo · September 28

popps said:

KroDuK said:

oh not I meant.. after reading your explanation, he's coming back for the 61% leech properties part.. he was cap at 61%.. after imbuing 30% SS he could go to 62%

You're telling him faster weapon have lower leech.

Edit: like I never imbue but from what I'm seeing here.. if the 61% is true it's the opposite.
I thought his leech properties went from 62 to 56 for math reason (formula; link to the same "excel SS square")
if u do 38 dmg per second instead of 36 (random numbers) since the leech is bound to that.. u can assume, at the end; his 62% leech on a 30% SS is the same as a 56% on a 40%

PS: I never imbued.. only assumption.
I was not butthurt.
his 62% leech on a 30% SS is the same as a 56% on a 40%
The thing is, that I had already imbued, successfully, the two hit-Leeches to 62% with 30% SSI...
And I was within the 600/600 imbuing weight CAP doing that.

Then, after all the imbuing was done, I enhanced with ASH to get an extra 10% SSI so as to reach a total of 40% SSI which I was expecting to sit on the weapon WITH the two 62% Hit-Leeches which I had already imbued...

Instead, I saw them drop down to 56%, both... and this, I do not understand but would like to understand why it happened...

Leech Cap is directly tied to Swing Speed. Its really that simple.

Deathforged Claymore at 60 SSI 150 Dex = 9 ticks per swing (2.25s) 100% Leech Cap

Double Axe at 60 SSI 150 Dex = 5 ticks per swing (1.25s) 56% Leech Cap

Its balancing.

KroDuK · September 28

@ChumboWumbo do you approve this site to help @popps calculation?

https://www.knuckleheads.dk/tools/ssi

PS: it does not address the 61% leech cap before adding 30% SSI for the useless 62%

Edit: let's agree on bad balancing.. still blows my mind 2hander got the same hardcap speed as 1 hander.. this is GENIUS!

popps · September 28

ChumboWumbo said:

popps said:

KroDuK said:

oh not I meant.. after reading your explanation, he's coming back for the 61% leech properties part.. he was cap at 61%.. after imbuing 30% SS he could go to 62%

You're telling him faster weapon have lower leech.

Edit: like I never imbue but from what I'm seeing here.. if the 61% is true it's the opposite.
I thought his leech properties went from 62 to 56 for math reason (formula; link to the same "excel SS square")
if u do 38 dmg per second instead of 36 (random numbers) since the leech is bound to that.. u can assume, at the end; his 62% leech on a 30% SS is the same as a 56% on a 40%

PS: I never imbued.. only assumption.
I was not butthurt.
his 62% leech on a 30% SS is the same as a 56% on a 40%
The thing is, that I had already imbued, successfully, the two hit-Leeches to 62% with 30% SSI...
And I was within the 600/600 imbuing weight CAP doing that.

Then, after all the imbuing was done, I enhanced with ASH to get an extra 10% SSI so as to reach a total of 40% SSI which I was expecting to sit on the weapon WITH the two 62% Hit-Leeches which I had already imbued...

Instead, I saw them drop down to 56%, both... and this, I do not understand but would like to understand why it happened...

Leech Cap is directly tied to Swing Speed. Its really that simple.

Deathforged Claymore at 60 SSI 150 Dex = 9 ticks per swing (2.25s) 100% Leech Cap

Double Axe at 60 SSI 150 Dex = 5 ticks per swing (1.25s) 56% Leech Cap

Its balancing.

Balancing can be an argument, yet, enhancing is separate from imbuing, isn't it ?

When I am within the imbuing phase, and I succesfully imbue something, this something which I have imbued succesfully, at a significant cost of materials and of my time since the success chance lowers and lowers as one further imbues properties, should not be taken away from the crafter when he/she enhances that item...

I mean, I HAD 62% Hit Mana and Hit Life Leech on the weapon, done, obtained, secured, imbued... and this, after several attempts because, for the 4th and 5th imbueings the chances get pretty low... the last imbue was like 16%ish success chance and I failed a lot.

Then, when I went to enhance, at a cost of a Store Forged Metal of Artifacts (which cost real money to buy), a process which is entirely separate from imbuing, my two 62% Hit-Leeches that I had already on the weapon vanished "magically" and became, both, 56%.

I lost imbuing weight after having used a Whetstone of Enervation to secure a 600 imbuing weight CAP with an exceptional weapon rather then a 550 imbuing weight with a regular weapon, when the enhancing dropped the two Hit-Leeches from 62% down to 56% because, of course, 56% on two Hit-Leeches has a lower imbuing weight as the 62% that I had already achieved on the weapon at the imbuing process.

And even if one wanted to consider "balancing", what if, instead of enhancing the weapon with ASH to get the additional 10% SSI to reach a total of 40% SSI on the weapon I had left that SSI on the weapon to 30% and gotten an extra 10% SSI on a ring or bracelet ?

Then, I would have had the weapon with still the two 62% Hit-Leeches and, yet, enjoy a 40% SSI anyways... balancing does not apply in this case ? I can use 40% SSI with 62% Hit-Leeches YET, if I do it with enhancing rather then on a ring or bracelet then it is a no-no and I get a drop of the Hit-Leeches if I try to have 40% SSI on the weapon through enhancing ?

I do not get it, it makes no sense to me.

KroDuK · September 28

popps said:

Balancing can be an argument, yet, enhancing is separate from imbuing, isn't it ?

When I am within the imbuing phase, and I succesfully imbue something, this something which I have imbued succesfully, at a significant cost of materials and of...

bro, let me stop you.. we are wayyy past that!

ChumboWumbo said:

Double Axe at 60 SSI 150 Dex = 5 ticks per swing (1.25s) 56% Leech Cap

if what he said is true.. (just look the knuckle link.. it's stam not dex)
u were wasting great success (lol) imbuing your staff to 62%
Since it has the same base speed as a dbl axe.. he's saying it's cap at 56% anyway! (it does math if 2.25 is 100% that 1.25 is 56.xx%)

It's really easy to cap the speed on that thing (refer to the link)

Pawain · September 28

1. Who uses a gnarled staff?

2. Why do you need SSI on the weapon? Bad suit?
Or you thought it was a bow.

3. I knew it was a popps post from the title.

4. Now start over with 100% elemental blanks.

KroDuK · September 28

Pawain said:

1. Who uses a gnarled staff?

Respect the Concussion Blow, son..

Image: https://forum.uo.com/uploads/editor/9c/vdu7b9zqlyje.png

This thing would Concuss harder than any Armor Ignore on bosses like the Dark Father.

Edit: abort, i've just read the changes.. before it used to hit HARD on dumber mobs.. now it mainly helps to empty mobs mana pool faster.

popps · September 28

Pawain said:

1. Who uses a gnarled staff?

2. Why do you need SSI on the weapon? Bad suit?
Or you thought it was a bow.

3. I knew it was a popps post from the title.

4. Now start over with 100% elemental blanks.

Hmm... perhaps someone who is a Macer and wants to use the specials Concussion Blow and Force of Nature or maybe just experiment with new things in the game ?

JackFlashUk · September 28

popps said:

Pawain said:

1. Who uses a gnarled staff?

2. Why do you need SSI on the weapon? Bad suit?
Or you thought it was a bow.

3. I knew it was a popps post from the title.

4. Now start over with 100% elemental blanks.

Hmm... perhaps someone who is a Macer and wants to use the specials Concussion Blow and Force of Nature or maybe just experiment with new things in the game ?

So you want to waste people’s time for yet another hypothetical If you want to try new things then you learn for yourself

you seem to yet again think everyone’s purpose is to serve you

for once just try to do something for yourself

at this stage the last thing you should be worried about is materials

popps · September 28

JackFlashUk said:

popps said:

Pawain said:

1. Who uses a gnarled staff?

2. Why do you need SSI on the weapon? Bad suit?
Or you thought it was a bow.

3. I knew it was a popps post from the title.

4. Now start over with 100% elemental blanks.

Hmm... perhaps someone who is a Macer and wants to use the specials Concussion Blow and Force of Nature or maybe just experiment with new things in the game ?

So you want to waste people’s time for yet another hypothetical If you want to try new things then you learn for yourself

you seem to yet again think everyone’s purpose is to serve you

for once just try to do something for yourself

at this stage the last thing you should be worried about is materials

There is nothing hypothetical in a weapon succesfully imbued to 62% Hit Mana and Life Leeches which then dropped down to 56% after an enhancement...

I would like to understand why this happened and, if this is intended, and not because of a bug, why, when I engaged the enhancing, I got no warning message telling me that, if I went ahead with enhancing the weapon with that particular material, the already imbued Hit-Leeches would have been damaged dropping by roughly 10%.

Pawain · September 28

popps said:

Pawain said:

1. Who uses a gnarled staff?

2. Why do you need SSI on the weapon? Bad suit?
Or you thought it was a bow.

3. I knew it was a popps post from the title.

4. Now start over with 100% elemental blanks.

Hmm... perhaps someone who is a Macer and wants to use the specials Concussion Blow and Force of Nature or maybe just experiment with new things in the game ?

What are your conclusions with these specials?

How do they compare vs AI and DS?

Finish what you say you started.

popps · September 28

Pawain said:

popps said:

Pawain said:

1. Who uses a gnarled staff?

2. Why do you need SSI on the weapon? Bad suit?
Or you thought it was a bow.

3. I knew it was a popps post from the title.

4. Now start over with 100% elemental blanks.

Hmm... perhaps someone who is a Macer and wants to use the specials Concussion Blow and Force of Nature or maybe just experiment with new things in the game ?

What are your conclusions with these specials?

How do they compare vs AI and DS?

Finish what you say you started.

Uhu ?

That is not the point.

The point is an imbued Hit-Leeches property value that cost imbuing materials and time to get (because of many fails at ~16% imbuing success chance) when enhancing, a totally different process to imbuing, for additional SSI.

Unless a bug, during the enhancing process at no point there is any warning saying that enhancing for additional SSI would cost the drop of already imbued Hit-Leeches properties.

Not to mention, that this costs, besides imbuing materials, also imbuing weight that could be used on other properties.

Enhancing, to my opinion, being a separate process, should NOT impact with already imbued properties.

Let me explain my point better...

Say that a crafter wants to use the "full" 600/600 imbuing weight of an exceptional weapon to which a Whetstone of Enervation has been applied.

They select properties which use, to the fullest, all of the 600/600 imbuing weight available.

THEN, they go to enhance for some additional property value, and what do they get ?

They get a DROP of some imbued properties value which now, no longer use the 600/600 imbuing weight but use less thus not using the full potential of imbuing at the 600 CAP possible.

And, unfortunately, since the 5 properties have already been imbued, it is no longer possible, after such unpleasant enhancing loss discovery, to go back to imbuing and pick a different property that could fully exploit the 600/600 full imbuing potential.

Furthermore, as I already pointed out, the balancing argument does not really convince me much because that 10% additional SSI which cost the drop from 62% imbued Hit Leech down to 56% Hit Leech "after" the enhancing, could be obtained on a ring, bracelet or other worn item carrying +10% SSI thus still reaching the +40% SSI wanted and, yet, not costing the drop from 62% Hit Leech down to 56% Hit Leech.

If having +40% Hit Leech, for balancing, "demands" Hit Leech on that weapon to be lowered from an already imbued 62% down to 56%, WHY THEN the same does not happen when the additional +10% SSI is obtained not via enhancing, but via an item worn ?

It is still +40% SSI, regardless how one gets it, isn't it ?

Pawain · September 28

Yes imbuing has been that way since day one. Adding SSI causes the leeches to drop.

Learn the game mechanics and use knuckleheads it would have shown the max amounts and you could have saved void orbs by adding the leeches first.

If you can't come up with a suit that gives you the max speed, you should be penalized.

The only groups that need SSI on their weapons are archers and throwers. And they suffer from low leeches.

popps · September 28

Pawain said:

Yes imbuing has been that way since day one. Adding SSI causes the leeches to drop.

Learn the game mechanics and use knuckleheads it would have shown the max amounts and you could have saved void orbs by adding the leeches first.

If you can't come up with a suit that gives you the max speed, you should be penalized.

The only groups that need SSI on their weapons are archers and throwers.

Learn the game mechanics and use knuckleheads it would have shown the max amounts and you could have saved void orbs by adding the leeches first.

I do use Knuckleheads but it only tells what happens when imbuing... it does not tell how enhancing can affect already imbued values... or if it does, I have no clue how to check on Knuckleheadsin what way and to what values enhancing with a given material can change already imbued properties values.

How can this be checked on Knuckleheads?

Pawain · September 28

popps said:

Pawain said:

Yes imbuing has been that way since day one. Adding SSI causes the leeches to drop.

Learn the game mechanics and use knuckleheads it would have shown the max amounts and you could have saved void orbs by adding the leeches first.

If you can't come up with a suit that gives you the max speed, you should be penalized.

The only groups that need SSI on their weapons are archers and throwers.

Learn the game mechanics and use knuckleheads it would have shown the max amounts and you could have saved void orbs by adding the leeches first.
I do use Knuckleheads but it only tells what happens when imbuing... it does not tell how enhancing can affect already imbued values... or if it does, I have no clue how to check on Knuckleheadsin what way and to what values enhancing with a given material can change already imbued properties values.

How can this be checked on Knuckleheads?

So your OP mentioned nothing about enhancing but now that you find knuckleheads would have shown the different values of leeches vs SSI level that you would end up with, so you change to enhancing.

What is your goal in posting these type questions where you get the answer, then argue about the mechanics?

Would be nice if you learn how to do what you want, then do it, start over, that is a horrible weapon to waste time and resources on. How many players use that weapon? There is a reason they do not use it.

So today we learned that popps made a wooden weapon so he could enhance with Ash.

If your goal us to try different specials, you would want to compare them without other properties so you can see what the special does without other things involved.

I am here to inform you that lots of time was wasted by you today. Should have been on the beach in Cabo like I am this week.

KroDuK · September 29

Pawain said:
What is your goal in posting these type questions where you get the answer, then argue about the mechanics?

He was ready to accept this:

KroDuK said:

I know you are gonna point out, you did imbue SS first and only enhanced more SS after u did imbue leech properties.. same result.. it's an imbued items u did enhance with more SS.

PS: let's not play dumb please, thx!.. it's black on white.. "will cause the leech intensity to drop"

Look at this @popps to understand what Mariah said:
(yes in your case/example it added confusion saying:"faster weapon have lower leech" cuz of the 61% hardcap you experienced or like the fact it saying imbuing/imbue and NOT enhancing on the wiki.. but let's not play dumb pls and look:)

Image: https://forum.uo.com/uploads/editor/w9/1066ochgui92.png

base on this formula:

My question is.. did u confuse 81% for 61% hardcap at 0% SSI?

What is blowing my mind right now is you ignore stuff like chumbo said.. he's saying your weapon at 40% SSI is cap at 56% (when in fact here they show 58%; 3.25 base speed)

Knowing that why are you crying about your 62%??

Plus you did enhance an imbued items.. you clever enough to know imbued items has different rules set.. like PoF.. or that phrase in Mariah guide: "will cause the leech intensity to drop"
Right u did enhanced and it's saying imbued.. but let's not play dumb (ignoring all the rest) what I or Mariah pointed out.

As for Paiwan.. look at the maximum intensity on weapon.. he's telling you:" you can cap that gnarled staff attack speed real easy with high stam and getting SSI on something else than your weapon.. using knucklehead"
Refer to the max intensity graph, if you wonder why.

You doing tunnel vision on the stupidest thing "imbuing more SSI will cause your..."

PS: i'd appreciate if u double check if that 61% was in fact a 81% before you add SSI.

Other than that people like chumbo and paiwan do not understand why u'd want that 62% leech 30% SSI gnarled staff.. for obvious reason (all the explanation needed has been provided to you.. l'd say even more than what was required.).

PS2: once more, i'd REALLY appreciate u dbl checking that 61% for 0 SSI hardcap.

Have a good one.

Edit: as for the "bug" question.. I'll point the obvious just in case.. like everyone here been saying:"it's working as intended, you just need to learn how it work"

Also:

Pawain said:
So your OP mentioned nothing about enhancing but now that you find knuckleheads would have shown the different values of leeches vs SSI level that you would end up with, so you change to enhancing...

He's not using the same tactic you are.. weasel stuff.. he did mention enhancing in his very well detailed post.. he ain't changing the go post like u would do.
re-read the OP. thx!

I just want to point out this comment:

JackFlashUk said:

Can someone make it for him?

sry, but it was way too funny ^^

KroDuK · September 29

I just want to add, let's agree this is not intuitive, nor logical and also, do not give up on that gnarled staff science stuff.

I hate they change the special move, but it still look like a sexy niche weapon for defensive sampire.

A mobs like the dark father, once his mana pool was depleted would be WAYYY easier, he would stop doing double oath for example.. wich was the only way he could kill a sappire back in 2004.
It was before they change oath (can now be resisted with resist spell) or they add imbuing.

Plus that stun every 12th hit on lower magic resist, pretty sure u can find a good niche use for that.

Dead we dealing no dmg. The Gnarled Staff looks like a solid niche defensive weapon..
The question is.. what content cuz u know.. OP gear vs weak bosses.

Power Creep is a thing that only keep getting worst.. like that DF example.. 20+ yrs ago the only way he could kill a good solo sappire was casting two oath back to back. The dev make the oath easy to resist with resist spell on top of adding imbuing.. I won't even consider all those Best In Slots items from heretic events.. totally broken stuff.. 0 sandbox balance.

popps · September 29

Pawain said:

popps said:

Pawain said:

Yes imbuing has been that way since day one. Adding SSI causes the leeches to drop.

Learn the game mechanics and use knuckleheads it would have shown the max amounts and you could have saved void orbs by adding the leeches first.

If you can't come up with a suit that gives you the max speed, you should be penalized.

The only groups that need SSI on their weapons are archers and throwers.

Learn the game mechanics and use knuckleheads it would have shown the max amounts and you could have saved void orbs by adding the leeches first.
I do use Knuckleheads but it only tells what happens when imbuing... it does not tell how enhancing can affect already imbued values... or if it does, I have no clue how to check on Knuckleheadsin what way and to what values enhancing with a given material can change already imbued properties values.

How can this be checked on Knuckleheads?

So your OP mentioned nothing about enhancing but now that you find knuckleheads would have shown the different values of leeches vs SSI level that you would end up with, so you change to enhancing.

What is your goal in posting these type questions where you get the answer, then argue about the mechanics?

Would be nice if you learn how to do what you want, then do it, start over, that is a horrible weapon to waste time and resources on. How many players use that weapon? There is a reason they do not use it.

So today we learned that popps made a wooden weapon so he could enhance with Ash.

If your goal us to try different specials, you would want to compare them without other properties so you can see what the special does without other things involved.

I am here to inform you that lots of time was wasted by you today. Should have been on the beach in Cabo like I am this week.

You may have missed in the OP where I wrote :

Then, after POF, I used a Forged Artifact charge to enhance with ASH to add 10% Swing Speed Increase for a total of 40% SSI , 20% Lower Requirements and 75% Lower Weight.

After the enhancing, I did get the 40% SSI, 20% Lower Requirements and 75% Lower Weight but, the Hit Mana Leech dropped to 56% from the 62% I had imbued and also the Hit Life Leech dropped to 56% from the 62% I had imbued.

What gives ?

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