Why Are Paying Customers Being Silenced on Critical Topics?

I'm genuinely confused and disappointed. A thread I participated in was recently closed with the explanation that the message was "sent to the devs." But this is exactly why we're posting here — because when it comes to major concerns, the dev team rarely (if ever) responds directly.

We're paying customers, and we use these forums to voice concerns when other channels aren't responsive. Shutting down these discussions feels like we're being silenced instead of heard. Why are topics like these being locked when they clearly matter to the community?

I’m asking honestly: What’s the point of a forum if not to discuss important issues — especially when official responses are so rare?

They dont answer emails either.


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  • KyronixKyronix Posts: 1,215Dev
    Your feedback has been shared with the team as noted.  We will discuss the issue internally and if we feel changes are warranted we will make them known when they get through development.  Regardless - anything housing related requires engineering support and those resources are dedicated to the classic client upgrade which is slated for a mid-summer test version.
  • NikonUSNikonUS Posts: 33
    Thanks so much for the answer and We really hope this matter is addressed.
  • LokeaLokea Posts: 132
    Kyronix said:
     Regardless - anything housing related requires engineering support and those resources are dedicated to the classic client upgrade which is slated for a mid-summer test version.
    After that rolls out, can we have a discussion about regular non-IDOC house placement and the cooldown timer on all of the shards that are not named "Atlantic"?

    I've read about the purpose of it, and saw this comment from y'all back in 2023:
    "Good morning everyone, Due to the large amount of complaints regarding placing houses we have added a cooldown when you attempt to place a house. Thank you! UO Team"

    Can you all at least display the timer for us and/or display a message that we are locked out temporarily? Give us some kind of indication of when we can use the tool again? I believe I know what the intent of it was, but I feel like it's hurting legitimate players more than the original intended targets.

    When I came back earlier this year and was attempting to place, there was nothing obvious about the cooldown - I had to Google for the "True" stuff before finding out about it. It was so incredibly frustrating, because while I knew it was a valid spot (based on looking at half-a-dozen other shards), I ended up getting locked out multiple times while trying to fit the maximum size.
  • JohnKnighthawkeJohnKnighthawke Posts: 451
    If they're silencing you, they're not doing it very well.
  • usernameusername Posts: 1,084
    edited May 21
    Kyronix said:
    Your feedback has been shared with the team as noted.  We will discuss the issue internally and if we feel changes are warranted we will make them known when they get through development.  Regardless - anything housing related requires engineering support and those resources are dedicated to the classic client upgrade which is slated for a mid-summer test version.
    Sorry to 'hijack' this thread a bit, but I have a question regarding the classic client upgrade: will classic client tools that currently work, such as assist uoam etc., still work after the upgrade or will this client upgrade 'brick' these tools requiring them to extensively be rewritten/fixed??

    It would be really nice if these tools still worked after the upgrade as lots of people still use them.
    This discussion has been closed.

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  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,826
    username said:
    Kyronix said:
    Your feedback has been shared with the team as noted.  We will discuss the issue internally and if we feel changes are warranted we will make them known when they get through development.  Regardless - anything housing related requires engineering support and those resources are dedicated to the classic client upgrade which is slated for a mid-summer test version.
    Sorry to 'hijack' this thread a bit, but I have a question regarding the classic client upgrade: will classic client tools that currently work, such as assist uoam etc., still work after the upgrade or will this client upgrade 'brick' these tools requiring them to extensively be rewritten/fixed??

    It would be really nice if these tools still worked after the upgrade as lots of people still use them.
    People need to let UOassist go tug deserves to retire and you have gotten your 15 dollars worth ten years ago..
  • TheoTheo Posts: 259
    Grimbeard said:
    username said:
    Kyronix said:
    Your feedback has been shared with the team as noted.  We will discuss the issue internally and if we feel changes are warranted we will make them known when they get through development.  Regardless - anything housing related requires engineering support and those resources are dedicated to the classic client upgrade which is slated for a mid-summer test version.
    Sorry to 'hijack' this thread a bit, but I have a question regarding the classic client upgrade: will classic client tools that currently work, such as assist uoam etc., still work after the upgrade or will this client upgrade 'brick' these tools requiring them to extensively be rewritten/fixed??

    It would be really nice if these tools still worked after the upgrade as lots of people still use them.
    People need to let UOassist go tug deserves to retire and you have gotten your 15 dollars worth ten years ago..
    If the client were better you wouldn’t need uoassist. 
  • usernameusername Posts: 1,084
    Grimbeard said:
    People need to let UOassist go tug deserves to retire and you have gotten your 15 dollars worth ten years ago..
    I agree BUT if the upgrade to the client doesn't break it or they are aware and can do minimal work to not break it then I think that would be the idea situation. No reason to piss people off unnecessarily. 
    This discussion has been closed.

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  • Lord_FrodoLord_Frodo Posts: 2,445
    Grimbeard said:
    username said:
    Kyronix said:
    Your feedback has been shared with the team as noted.  We will discuss the issue internally and if we feel changes are warranted we will make them known when they get through development.  Regardless - anything housing related requires engineering support and those resources are dedicated to the classic client upgrade which is slated for a mid-summer test version.
    Sorry to 'hijack' this thread a bit, but I have a question regarding the classic client upgrade: will classic client tools that currently work, such as assist uoam etc., still work after the upgrade or will this client upgrade 'brick' these tools requiring them to extensively be rewritten/fixed??

    It would be really nice if these tools still worked after the upgrade as lots of people still use them.
    People need to let UOassist go tug deserves to retire and you have gotten your 15 dollars worth ten years ago..
    As long as TUG is still willing to sell seeds then no he should not retire.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,826
    Grimbeard said:
    username said:
    Kyronix said:
    Your feedback has been shared with the team as noted.  We will discuss the issue internally and if we feel changes are warranted we will make them known when they get through development.  Regardless - anything housing related requires engineering support and those resources are dedicated to the classic client upgrade which is slated for a mid-summer test version.
    Sorry to 'hijack' this thread a bit, but I have a question regarding the classic client upgrade: will classic client tools that currently work, such as assist uoam etc., still work after the upgrade or will this client upgrade 'brick' these tools requiring them to extensively be rewritten/fixed??

    It would be really nice if these tools still worked after the upgrade as lots of people still use them.
    People need to let UOassist go tug deserves to retire and you have gotten your 15 dollars worth ten years ago..
    As long as TUG is still willing to sell seeds then no he should not retire.
    You assume you can still buy it 
  • Lord_FrodoLord_Frodo Posts: 2,445
    edited May 22
    Grimbeard said:
    Grimbeard said:
    username said:
    Kyronix said:
    Your feedback has been shared with the team as noted.  We will discuss the issue internally and if we feel changes are warranted we will make them known when they get through development.  Regardless - anything housing related requires engineering support and those resources are dedicated to the classic client upgrade which is slated for a mid-summer test version.
    Sorry to 'hijack' this thread a bit, but I have a question regarding the classic client upgrade: will classic client tools that currently work, such as assist uoam etc., still work after the upgrade or will this client upgrade 'brick' these tools requiring them to extensively be rewritten/fixed??

    It would be really nice if these tools still worked after the upgrade as lots of people still use them.
    People need to let UOassist go tug deserves to retire and you have gotten your 15 dollars worth ten years ago..
    As long as TUG is still willing to sell seeds then no he should not retire.
    You assume you can still buy it 
    NO ASSUMING about it, he is still selling them.
    Copyright © 1998 - 2025 Tugsoft, Inc. All rights reserved.  He even extended his copyright.
  • usernameusername Posts: 1,084
    edited May 22
    Grimbeard said:
    You assume you can still buy it 
    I know several players that have bought it in the last year. 

    If their plan is to make an update that would essentially kill of UOA (in terms of the client not supporting UOA without a massive rewrite/overhaul) then they should 100% TELL PLAYERS NOW because people are still buying it and Tugsoft is selling.

    I have reached out directly to @Kyronix regarding this and haven't gotten an answer. There's even a good chance he doesn't know the answer himself, so not blaming him.
    This discussion has been closed.

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  • JackFlashUkJackFlashUk Posts: 1,101
    Kyronix said:
    Your feedback has been shared with the team as noted.  We will discuss the issue internally and if we feel changes are warranted we will make them known when they get through development.  Regardless - anything housing related requires engineering support and those resources are dedicated to the classic client upgrade which is slated for a mid-summer test version.
    So, you confirm that you are focussing on a shard nobody asked for and basically ignoring the blatant issues on production servers,  your bread and butter I must remind you. Without us the vanity shard and UO and YOUR JOBs will cease to exist. 

    Time to focus on production shard. This should be your priority

    after the shattering people will abandon the vanity server, you better have a great plan for appeasement and retention 
  • AtomicBettyAtomicBetty Posts: 323
    Kyronix said:
    Your feedback has been shared with the team as noted.  We will discuss the issue internally and if we feel changes are warranted we will make them known when they get through development.  Regardless - anything housing related requires engineering support and those resources are dedicated to the classic client upgrade which is slated for a mid-summer test version.
    So, you confirm that you are focussing on a shard nobody asked for and basically ignoring the blatant issues on production servers,  your bread and butter I must remind you. Without us the vanity shard and UO and YOUR JOBs will cease to exist. 

    Time to focus on production shard. This should be your priority

    after the shattering people will abandon the vanity server, you better have a great plan for appeasement and retention 
    What are you talking about? He just said what they are doing for production shards currently and not one mention of new legacy. 
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,126
    edited 3:46AM
    What are you talking about? He just said what they are doing for production shards currently and not one mention of new legacy. 
    They stop holidays to focus on NL.. and what excatly do you really expect from the next event? Just look at my avatar picture.. rationalise that considering everything. Do your worst.


    PS: they shared VERY little on NL for 5 yrs while working on it A LOT. so yeah.. no need to "mention" to "work" on. Meanwhile look at the actual prodo state.. start with my profile picture. Good luck!
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to automate the game.

    It’s comical to me you are so frightened of somehow bod scripters get some sort of advantage.

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  • LokeaLokea Posts: 132
    NO ASSUMING about it, he is still selling them.
    Copyright © 1998 - 2025 Tugsoft, Inc. All rights reserved.  He even extended his copyright.
    That doesn't mean he extended it, it probably just means the "2025" part is automatically generated based on the current year - a lot of websites have a simple code that inserts the current year after the copyright symbol.  And it wouldn't matter if he didn't extend it, he can still sell it.

    I'm surprised he's still selling copies, but if he is, good for him.

    However, anybody relying on it should be cautious - the last major update posted on the website was 6 years ago in 2018, and the last minor update was in 2022 (fixes some stackables), while Windows 11 came out in 2021.

    It's not a matter of if, but when, in terms of older programs having issues at some point. Some are simple to fix (run as Administrator, copy certain files back to a location, etc.).

    I'm curious, how would you feel if they had to hold back development of the CC because it might break a third-party utility that is rarely updated?
  • Lord_FrodoLord_Frodo Posts: 2,445
    Lokea said:
    NO ASSUMING about it, he is still selling them.
    Copyright © 1998 - 2025 Tugsoft, Inc. All rights reserved.  He even extended his copyright.
    That doesn't mean he extended it, it probably just means the "2025" part is automatically generated based on the current year - a lot of websites have a simple code that inserts the current year after the copyright symbol.  And it wouldn't matter if he didn't extend it, he can still sell it.

    I'm surprised he's still selling copies, but if he is, good for him.

    However, anybody relying on it should be cautious - the last major update posted on the website was 6 years ago in 2018, and the last minor update was in 2022 (fixes some stackables), while Windows 11 came out in 2021.

    It's not a matter of if, but when, in terms of older programs having issues at some point. Some are simple to fix (run as Administrator, copy certain files back to a location, etc.).

    I'm curious, how would you feel if they had to hold back development of the CC because it might break a third-party utility that is rarely updated?
    LMAO  Copyrights are NOT automatically extended, you have to apply for them.
  • LokeaLokea Posts: 132
    KroDuK said:
    They stop holidays to focus on NL.. and what excatly do you really expect from the next event? Just look at my avatar picture.. rationalise that considering everything. Do your worst.

    PS: they shared VERY little on NL for 5 yrs while working on it A LOT. so yeah.. no need to "mention" to "work" on. Meanwhile look at the actual prodo state.. start with my profile picture. Good luck!
    And yet we are still getting Publish 120 for the prodo shards this summer, with a new mount and a major live event.

    And we are still getting anniversary gifts.

    And we are getting a CC upgrade.

    And they are going to be doing a bunch of website upgrades.

    And they are planning a bunch of holiday stuff for this fall.

    Do you honestly know how much they worked on NL? Do you know how many hours a week they devoted to it?  Because I have a feeling you don't have specifics and don't know when they set it aside to push out live events and gifts and stuff for the prodo shards. 

    And if it bugs you that they have "seasons" for a UO shard or two, welcome to 2025 where seasons are a normal thing in MMOs.

    And I have a feeling they could have worked on it for just 5 months, and some people would still be upset about it. There were people upset that resources were put into Siege because it took away from the production shards, but here we are, and Siege is still around.

    NL exists, and they are supporting it for the foreseeable future.  Just like you probably don't play Siege, you don't have to play NL, but obviously enough people do, or it's tied into their long-term plans (code re-writes, etc.) and is important to said long-term plans. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, as I think this is just one part of their future plans.
  • LokeaLokea Posts: 132
    LMAO  Copyrights are NOT automatically extended, you have to apply for them.
    Ummm, as somebody who has several copyrights for various books, and some software I wrote many years ago, I don't how it works in your country, but here in the USA, it kicks in the moment something is created, and you don't have to register or apply for anything:

    Copyright in General (FAQ) | U.S. Copyright Office

    When is my work protected?

    Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.

    Do I have to register with your office to be protected?

    No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created.

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