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Lokea · May 7

Skett said:

Remember nobody asked for NL and many over the years have voiced they dont want it and they are still pushing it on all of us. basically if you dont like NL that's your problem not ours.

And at the round table they said don’t just say it’s bad or I don’t like NL tell us why and how and what. Well for the last 5 years we have told them we don’t want a seasonal shard did they listen ? So now we have NL and because they asked to tell them what we would fix changed ect I’ll start I’d like NL scraped I hate the reading the quests the repetition of it all. Will they listen nope never have listened to anyone outside their bubble and never will.

How many people are we talking about? Because before I committed to resubscribing and getting my kids playing, I spent a lot of time reading old posts on forums here and on Stratics, just to get up to speed, and it seemed like it was maybe 5-10 people driving about 90% of the negativity on both sites.

It's like Amazon.com reviews - you get a lot of people who are unsatisfied posting, because people who are content generally don't feel the need to say anything (which is why some companies have to go out of their way to get their customers to post reviews on Amazon).

If you told me that 75% of the people reading the UO.com forums are looking for help with some item or game mechanic or dungeon or trade, I'd wonder why the number is so low, because you can look at the latest updated threads every day and see how little engagement there is, even though there is probably a lot of traffic (I constantly get linked to UO.com threads from Google). We are in this weird moment in time where you have an extremely mature MMO where the majority of players have played for years and so don't bother reading forums or blogs outside of new publishes, other than hitting up maybe UOGuide or the UO.com Wiki for information.

I've setup forums for other games (WOW, EVE, FFXIV), and have moderated some extremely large ones and they just aren't good snapshots of how a game is doing anyways or what the players like.

KroDuK · May 7

Lokea said:

Skett said:

@ Lokea

I spend over easily over $4000 a year on UO
Me closing down 16 account now and then another 2 or 3 in shortly after isn't going to make any difference at all, it wont even be noticeable to UO it will have ZERO impact. And I realize a complete nobody to them. I have a friend that has over 50 account and know others that have 90 and I'm sure there are a lot of others with accounts in the same range. Now if they start closing account it might be noticeable possibly. (none of them have said they are nor have asked them)
I dont like the path they are taking UO that's why I'm closing accounts and to be honest I'm actually happy about it. even tho its insanely boring.

That is...stunning. I don't even know what to say to that, other than you probably should take a break if you are unhappy. I've taken them at times before my last big one when I was unhappy or bored, and UO was more enjoyable when I came back. You should not spend that kind of money on something that makes you unhappy. You think you and the 50+ and the 90 wouldn't be noticed if you left, but you probably would - I would be surprised if UO has more than 15,000 - 20,000 paid accounts, so a drop of $20,000 from just three people would be noticed.

Don't stick with stuff that makes you unhappy, just understand that not everybody else is as pessimistic about the final outcome of NL, etc.

he's not playing on NL.. what makes him unhappy.. u know what.. I won't waste more time.. you know what he meant.. u just go elsewhere as always.

Note that history tend to repeat itself.. I would use the word realistic not pessimistic.. guess what other word I would use instead of optimisitic here?

Victim_Of_Siege · May 8

KroDuK said:

Lokea said:

Skett said:

@ Lokea

I spend over easily over $4000 a year on UO
Me closing down 16 account now and then another 2 or 3 in shortly after isn't going to make any difference at all, it wont even be noticeable to UO it will have ZERO impact. And I realize a complete nobody to them. I have a friend that has over 50 account and know others that have 90 and I'm sure there are a lot of others with accounts in the same range. Now if they start closing account it might be noticeable possibly. (none of them have said they are nor have asked them)
I dont like the path they are taking UO that's why I'm closing accounts and to be honest I'm actually happy about it. even tho its insanely boring.

That is...stunning. I don't even know what to say to that, other than you probably should take a break if you are unhappy. I've taken them at times before my last big one when I was unhappy or bored, and UO was more enjoyable when I came back. You should not spend that kind of money on something that makes you unhappy. You think you and the 50+ and the 90 wouldn't be noticed if you left, but you probably would - I would be surprised if UO has more than 15,000 - 20,000 paid accounts, so a drop of $20,000 from just three people would be noticed.

Don't stick with stuff that makes you unhappy, just understand that not everybody else is as pessimistic about the final outcome of NL, etc.

he's not playing on NL.. what makes him unhappy.. u know what.. I won't waste more time.. you know what he meant.. u just go elsewhere as always.

Note that history tend to repeat itself.. I would use the word realistic not pessimistic.. guess what other word I would use instead of optimisitic here?

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KroDuK · May 8

Skett · May 8

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Lokea · May 8

KroDuK said:
he's not playing on NL.. what makes him unhappy.. u know what.. I won't waste more time.. you know what he meant.. u just go elsewhere as always.

Note that history tend to repeat itself.. I would use the word realistic not pessimistic.. guess what other word I would use instead of optimisitic here?

Oh, I know the type, if it wasn't NL, it would be something else that he would complain about - he's constantly trashing the devs and questioning their competence here and on Stratics, and he's been doing it for many years about things that don't have any relation to NL. His posts stand out for their overall negativity when you look through the forums.

The majority of UO players don't care one way or another, because they are not angrily posting here or on Stratics. As I said, I spent a lot of time looking through forum posts here and on Stratics before coming back and if you take out his posts and a handful of other posters that are trying to flood the zone with their POV, the picture is quite different. The majority of posters are talking about crafting, trade, events, information requests, etc., but there's just not that many posts in general, because, again, UO is mature, and people know where to find the answers to their questions. But because there's not that many posts these days, the negative posts stand out.

I do think it's good he recognizes that it's not healthy for his wellbeing and that he's winding down his accounts. The first few times I took breaks from UO was really weird, but I was able to scratch the itch a bit with EVE, Star Wars Galaxies, even WOW and a few others.

KroDuK · May 8

You are profilling him.. I just look at what he's saying, here.. he made valid point like u did.. I just dislike those politician "strategy" certain persons using around here.

To me the stratic people were always script lovers.. they would use that unofficial forums to not get ban from official.. or illegal server users... but i'm not gonna profile someone like paiwan cuz of my own "bias"

Like here something u shouldn't ignore is one of his first message to Grim.. he went from 0 to 10k% real fast.. just wait a couple of days to argu with him.. before judging his sanity.. the way he's playing UO ain't being "healthy".. cuz let's be honest since ToL test.. this is the new game model under mesanna corporate culture.. sub as much as u can.. do as u please.. we gonna shower you.

Peronally I tried to reassure him on some of his point.. he ain't crazy but yeah.. 21 accounts? god damn.. he's a big fish, if u ask me.

PS: not long ago he wouldn't care about other botting or people using cheat engine.. I went at him for being a cheat engine lover cuz of it.. today he's at war with them.. give it time. But it doesn't change the fact both of you made valid point and ignoring those valid points.
Him he don't go in much more details on urs (ignoring) while u go somewhere totally different.. almost attacking the person he is.. cuz of stuff like he got an unhealthy amount of accounts and does not see the potential of NL.. and believe the price to pay for prodo is too high..

I'm also one of those that is never satisfied cuz perfection is an utopia that can be attained when there is nothing left to remove.. u still can make it better by adding more stuff.. but as long there is stuff to be remove.. "perfection" is impossible.. just look at my avatar picture.. stuff like that.. is killing me.. so depending on your logic my problems does not count.. cuz i would never be plainly satisfied.

PS: do like victim.. clearly making fun of us a good way.. like me.. I look like that cat (unhappy) protestng while waiting for mah pie.. and look how skett responded to that.. he also understood the meaning.

Skett · May 8

@Lokea you really like to make things up. Nothing in past even close to what you’re saying but go ahead and lie that’s all you got. And yes NL is a horrible epic fail always will be because it’s not what uo is nor is it wanted by the majority of the players. If i logged in my 21 accounts when I had them on NL I’d own it out number everyone else there bc it’s not anything the majority of players want. Thats just a fact like it or not. So try to profile me it’s really creepy you should maybe go for a long walk with your kids and relax maybe take a break from uo. Go get some pie with your rl family I’m sure they’ll love the attention.

Victim_Of_Siege · May 8

Skett said:

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KroDuK · May 8

Look at that variety.. a spoiled cat!
We love to see that.

Pawain · May 8

Ok @Mariah or @Rorschach

I think we have proven the inability to log in has been resolved. So we can put this question thread to sleep.
Yes or no would have been more productive answers.

Shout out to whoever resolved it.

Skett · May 8

On to bug fixes next

KroDuK · 12:31AM

KroDuK said:

Pawain said:

Yup the usual complainers complaining about the forum working properly. Shocking.

This is the thing you spoken too fast, some of us are more realistic.. still some bugs.. Like the one I just experienced.. I enter the password.. before pressing enter I hit another button (adding a character to my password) I was like oups... but weirdly enough I was logged in and when I press on the wheel (virtue star) I had permission..

But I couldn't post.. so yeah.. bug still happening.. I logged in my forum account with an extra character added at the last second.. but I was not able to post.. in short.. I was able to connect (not really) with the wrong password.. before it would tell me no perm by pressing "setting" now I couldn't post and it never told me I had NO PERM like it used to before.. if I had not experienced the 80-90 attempt to connect on the forum.. I would have never guessed why i was not able to post on the forum (no perm)

Pawain said:

Yes or no would have been more productive answers.

I believe my answer was more productive than a yes or no answer.. if I answer no you are asking me why.. so I can explain you the "bug"

Pawain said:
I think we have proven the inability to log in has been resolved.

PS: if someone is not able to connect on the forum.. are u really expecting a no answer from them?

Skett · 12:32AM

Just use Firefox

KroDuK · 12:43AM

no

Skett · 12:44AM

For some it’s like being forced to … nvm

KroDuK · 12:52AM

Maybe u'd have more success if it was a threat:"JUST USE FireFox!"

Are you carrying?

Skett · 12:56AM

KroDuK · 12:57AM

a Yes or No answer would be more productive.

ok i'm out!

Skett · 1:02AM

Yes

Lokea · 5:47AM

Skett said:

@ Lokea you really like to make things up. Nothing in past even close to what you’re saying but go ahead and lie that’s all you got.

When I was going through the Stratics and UO.com forums, I got to where I could recognize your posts without seeing your handle or avatar because of the negativity. You've been bitter about UO for a while.

The thing is, on the one hand, I get it, you were paying for 21 accounts. That's thousands of dollars a year sunk into something and you had certain expectations. It was a sunk-cost fallacy for you. Arguably it would be the textbook definition of a sunk-cost fallacy.

On the other hand, UO didn't change overnight. Messana or Kyronix didn't snap their fingers a year or two or five years ago and overnight UO became something vastly different than what it was. You didn't login one day after server up and all of the sudden there's new and unannounced rules that change the playstyles on multiple characters, or something you relied on had been gimped. It's been what it has been for many years, and adding a couple of new shards with their own rulesets really didn't change the way production players play.

And while you constantly claim that the majority of UO players hate NL, I don't see the majority of UO players logging into the UO or Stratics forums and claiming they hate NL, and they are obviously not canceling their accounts (otherwise NL gets dropped like a hot potato). In fact, the majority of UO players don't even bother with the UO.com or Stratics forums. Most probably don't even login all that often to begin with.

I don't know when you became so down on UO and down on the devs, but for better or for worse, you really, really stand out on Stratics and UO.com as somebody who no longer likes UO and wants everybody to know it.

I don't say this to be snarky - I'm very sincere about it, but shutting down most of your accounts and walking away from UO and the forums will probably improve your life a great deal in a lot of ways. I'm also being very serious when I say this - having played a lot of MMOs over the last 25 years, if you want to stay within the MMO genre of gaming, I'd be happy to recommend some to you if you aren't familiar with other MMOs, and possibly even some guilds that can help you out.

Mariah · 10:34AM

Pawain said:

Ok @ Mariah or @ Rorschach

I think we have proven the inability to log in has been resolved. So we can put this question thread to sleep.
Yes or no would have been more productive answers.

Shout out to whoever resolved it.

@Pawain your wish is granted.

Victim_Of_Siege · 10:48AM

Mariah said:

Pawain said:

Ok @ Mariah or @ Rorschach

I think we have proven the inability to log in has been resolved. So we can put this question thread to sleep.
Yes or no would have been more productive answers.

Shout out to whoever resolved it.

@ Pawain your wish is granted.

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