Europa on Fire (Literally, and Figuratively)

Yesterday, we had the absolute pleasure of a visit from the Community Manager again on Europa. Apparently, she just can’t get enough of our humble little shard — I mean, who can blame her? Europa is basically the Vegas of Ultima Online.

She was streaming, as usual, and got a front-row seat to some glorious, chaotic PvP mayhem. Yes, you heard that right: Europa PvP is alive and kicking. Packed with players, action, and enough spells flying around to make your FPS cry. Don’t take my word for it — go watch the stream yourself. You might even spot yourself being turned into a ghost.

But of course… there’s always that one group. You know the type. They don’t play here. They don’t PvP. Yet somehow, they patrol the forums like they’re on a moral crusade, DEMANDING bans for people who are — brace yourself — playing the game and having fun. Shocking, right?

Meanwhile, in the stream, you’ve got players chatting with the CM, laughing, fighting, dying horribly — you know, actually enjoying themselves in a 25-year-old game that still manages to bring people together.

So here's a wild idea: instead of turning every forum post into an episode of Judge Judy, how about we just… let people enjoy the game?

To the sad souls who feel the need to complain about shards they don’t even log into — maybe go outside, touch some grass, or I dunno, play a video game for fun like the rest of us?


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  • mismis Posts: 262
    edited April 16
    King said:

    Yesterday, we had the absolute pleasure of a visit from the Community Manager again on Europa. Apparently, she just can’t get enough of our humble little shard — I mean, who can blame her? Europa is basically the Vegas of Ultima Online.

    She was streaming, as usual, and got a front-row seat to some glorious, chaotic PvP mayhem. Yes, you heard that right: Europa PvP is alive and kicking. Packed with players, action, and enough spells flying around to make your FPS cry. Don’t take my word for it — go watch the stream yourself. You might even spot yourself being turned into a ghost.

    But of course… there’s always that one group. You know the type. They don’t play here. They don’t PvP. Yet somehow, they patrol the forums like they’re on a moral crusade, DEMANDING bans for people who are — brace yourself — playing the game and having fun. Shocking, right?

    Meanwhile, in the stream, you’ve got players chatting with the CM, laughing, fighting, dying horribly — you know, actually enjoying themselves in a 25-year-old game that still manages to bring people together.

    So here's a wild idea: instead of turning every forum post into an episode of Judge Judy, how about we just… let people enjoy the game?

    To the sad souls who feel the need to complain about shards they don’t even log into — maybe go outside, touch some grass, or I dunno, play a video game for fun like the rest of us?



    The sad thing is to see scripts that break the rules, that allow more FC FCR speed than others, movement speed, etc... due to client modification and other factors, the photos that were deleted showed it.

    But sadder is to see who is dedicated to cover up the evidence, abusing their privileges and censoring out of self-interest and cover their friends for being allies of that guild.

    That is sad and regrettable. There are no principles or values.


  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,931
    edited April 16
    mis said:

    The sad thing is to see scripts that break the rules, that allow more FC FCR speed than others, movement speed, etc... due to client modification and other factors, the photos that were deleted showed it.

    But sadder is to see who is dedicated to cover up the evidence, abusing their privileges and censoring out of self-interest and cover their friends for being allies of that guild.

    That is sad and regrettable. There are no principles or values.


    1. There is no hack re fc/fcr speed.

    2. When I post dodgy images, they are deleted. When you post dodgy images, they are deleted, we are being treated the same. Why you think you can post images I cannot post, and be treated extra special, I do not know. I would happily have posted up the images you posted up, but I was asked not to, so you doing it for me, was icing on the cake. :)

    3. It has also been requested content from external discord servers is not posted, as again, this can be controversial.

    So you are incorrect on 1 point, and breaking 2 sets of forums rules.

    How should such a person be treated I wonder?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,931
    King said:

    Yesterday, we had the absolute pleasure of a visit from the Community Manager again on Europa. Apparently, she just can’t get enough of our humble little shard — I mean, who can blame her? Europa is basically the Vegas of Ultima Online.

    She was streaming, as usual, and got a front-row seat to some glorious, chaotic PvP mayhem. Yes, you heard that right: Europa PvP is alive and kicking. Packed with players, action, and enough spells flying around to make your FPS cry. Don’t take my word for it — go watch the stream yourself. You might even spot yourself being turned into a ghost.

    But of course… there’s always that one group. You know the type. They don’t play here. They don’t PvP. Yet somehow, they patrol the forums like they’re on a moral crusade, DEMANDING bans for people who are — brace yourself — playing the game and having fun. Shocking, right?

    Meanwhile, in the stream, you’ve got players chatting with the CM, laughing, fighting, dying horribly — you know, actually enjoying themselves in a 25-year-old game that still manages to bring people together.

    So here's a wild idea: instead of turning every forum post into an episode of Judge Judy, how about we just… let people enjoy the game?

    To the sad souls who feel the need to complain about shards they don’t even log into — maybe go outside, touch some grass, or I dunno, play a video game for fun like the rest of us?


    Nice post. :)
  • Petra_FydePetra_Fyde Posts: 1,500
    The earlier part of that stream is another group of Europa players gathered to have fun, at a pvm governor arranged event. Both play styles are alive and well on Europa.
  • KingKing Posts: 153
    @mis you kinda missed the entire point of my post.

    Let me spell it out real slow: PvP on Europa is absolutely on fire.
    We’re talking big fights at Yew, chaos in VvV towns, dungeon fights madness — you name it. 

    Loads of people, tons of action, and yes, players using every client under the sun: A, B, C, O, XYZ — doesn’t matter. Pick your own choice. anyone can choose!

    To deny that is just being… well, let’s say creatively delusional. Especially when you don’t even PvP yourself. So here’s a thought: maybe let the people who actually PVP and  play the game have their fun?

    What you’re missing is that there’s a wave of players coming back — not disappearing, like the handful of doomsayers here love to claim every week. Most shards are bustling, and now with the NL2.0 launch and a bunch of new and returning players from Asia joining the fun, things are only getting more alive.

    So here’s the bottom line:

    • People are playing.

    • People are paying.

    • People are having fun.
      And they don’t need permission slips from the forum fun police to do it.

    Instead of obsessing over what client someone’s using to cast Flamestrike, maybe just be happy the server’s not a ghost town? Just a thought.




  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,007
    edited April 16
    God damn.. grown men getting hard by those tears of rage..   :/


    Even that PvM'ers is out of touch; lost in the left field.. madness.

    Easy solution.. free client shard (y'all can even keep promoting it.. so even more cheater from illegal shard could come back) with Legit shards.. so WE CAN promote it.. a tons more legit players gonna come back to enjoy a legit UO.. on top of getting rid of affiliates with a front EA dot come store (that still gonna be promote in game on top of promoting even more stuff like GOLD on the client.. even more sales, with no GM taxi fee for Bonnie)

    PS: he knows cheaters are still alive and well.. this is.. we wouldn't need her stream.. cuz we would be legion to stream on twitch on the official server.. with FREE CLIENT and LEGIT one; good PvP. (the cheater can't cuz twitch apply the cheater rules and for a legit players.. no one wanna watch someone PvM or craft.. they want the juicy PvP stuff.. and no one can compete as  CC legit..)

    Free promotion bigger reach.. more money.. get rid of those affiliates and do huge moves.


    But yeah, for that CM to promote them and act like omg soo much is happening.. we get it.. u don't PvP or barelly play the game to miss the obvious stuff happening.. personally I can spot someone multiboxing 5 accounts with tons of perfect combo and automation while frame skipping (like at a certain point she could barelly keep up with a naked dude on foot with her horse.. that CM face says it all, she knows.. like we all do.. but they don't see the potential of UO.. let's blame the human nature)

    I,m sure MarkeeDragon would agree with the Bonnie corporate culture, right?..  :o
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to play/automate the game.

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  • KingKing Posts: 153
    @KroDuK ; let me resume, We are NOT the ones crying!
    in fact, the video is a proof that your kind is the one wrong! people are having a Hell of Fun!!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,931
    edited April 16
    KroDuK said:


    (like at a certain point she could barelly keep up with a naked dude on foot with her horse.. 
    Good morning, great to see you back. :)

    I did have to double take when I saw those naked guys on foot running around, that was mental.
    But I assumed it was some Enhanced Client graphical weird stuff. I don't understand what Enhanced Client is showing me tbh. I did not see that happening in the fight on my client.
    Sometimes people on foot run faster than you expect, especially when they are scared. :)
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,007
    edited April 16
    King said:
    @ KroDuK  let me resume, We are NOT the ones crying!
    in fact, the video is a proof that your kind is the one wrong! people are having a Hell of Fun!!
    Read the room... u are part of the grown men licking tears while twisting the illegal dagger.

    Are you another Cookie alt??.. I never suspected you.. but your skill to read the room is equal to his.


    PS: @cookie for once u agree with me cuz i'm calling out one of your "ennemies"
    You were arguing in a recent post that mis calling you out cuz he fought against you.. u do the exact same now.  :|

    I don't care about team.. all I see are those cheaters.. and yes.. from both side..
    PS2: guess who is the multiboxer i'm seeing operating?  :#
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to play/automate the game.

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  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,931
    KroDuK said:
    King said:
    @ KroDuK  let me resume, We are NOT the ones crying!
    in fact, the video is a proof that your kind is the one wrong! people are having a Hell of Fun!!
    Read the room... u are part of the grown men liking tears while twisting the illegal dagger.

    Are you another Cookie alt??.. I never suspected you.. but your skill to read the room is equal to his.
    I don't actually know who he is, I like most of his viewpoints, though I'm also sure we have disagreed slightly before. I'm sure I will know his characters if he tells me who they are.

    You guys have got to stop seeing conspiracy everywhere, I am one guy, very transparent, and it seems to cause you so many issues. :)
  • MariahMariah Posts: 3,431Moderator
    I can confirm that seeing naked people running at mount speed is an EC bug, they are actually fully dressed and on a mount.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,931
    Mariah said:
    I can confirm that seeing naked people running at mount speed is an EC bug, they are actually fully dressed and on a mount.
    Thank you, I didn't know this, but I guessed this, from what I had actually seen, and could logically work out.
    And others would see cheats, and conspiracies.
  • SkettSkett Posts: 1,739
    What rum are they smuggling

  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,931
    KroDuK said:


    PS: @ cookie for once u agree with me cuz i'm calling out one of your "ennemies"
    You were arguing in a recent post that mis calling you out cuz he fought against you.. u do the exact same now.  :|

    I don't care about team.. all I see are those cheaters.. and yes.. from both side..
    PS2: guess who is the multiboxer i'm seeing operating?  :#
    I'm not "agreeing with you because it is one of my enemies" - I saw the same thing as you - thought it was strange, and came to a more calm, and logical conclusion that did not involve cheating or conspiracy theories.

    It is a perfect example, of how we see the same thing, I interpret it correctly, and you go off with the fairies. 
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,007
    edited April 16
    Mariah said:
    I can confirm that seeing naked people running at mount speed is an EC bug, they are actually fully dressed and on a mount.
    Thx.. personally last time I experienced that myself was ~18 years ago.. and those were speed hacker after I dismounted them.. I couldn't catch up to them. (they were also getting ban.. took 3-5 days usually before the ban hammer drop.)

    In that CM video.. u could even see the CM face being like what the.. when it happen.. I suspected it was from EC.. but those 5 synchronize swimmers.. if u have an explanation.  :s


    Skett said:
    What rum are they smuggling

    This is clearly a slave ship.  ;)
    Skeeeeeeeeet!
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to play/automate the game.

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  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,931
    KroDuK said:

    PS2: guess who is the multiboxer i'm seeing operating?  :#
    Just seen this bit.

    I have no idea who the multiboxer is?
    I have not seen one, or seen the part of the Stream where it is?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,931
    edited April 16
    KroDuK said:
     tons of perfect combo 
    I want to comment on this bit.
    This is real, this is what we train for.
    In our minds, it is never good enough, but we are insanely good, this is what pvp training is all about.
    We analyse video footage after, we have a debrief after every fight, as to why we were not good enough, or what could be better, how we can make combo's better. How we can improve.
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,007
    edited April 16
    I get it.. y'all are virtual pianist gifted virtuoso.

    Last time i've heard this speech was from someone with a way higher win percentage on my ass (he was steam rolling me on the first mistake, everytime.. his DPS/combo was inhumane).. the dude was streaming Blade n Soul PvP for 10-14 hours long and never missing a single beat; not a single combo.
    He was a god among the elite.

    He exposed himself for using BnS buddy (the constellation of the moment) not long after.


    btw.. when u say "we".. I'm using I. I know what u mean cuz I am part of this elite.. the only difference between us is I ain't delusional.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to play/automate the game.

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  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,931
    KroDuK said:
    I get it.. y'all are virtual pianist gifted virtuoso.

    Last time i've heard this speech was from someone with a higher win percentage on my ass (he was steam rolling me on the first mistake, everytime.. his DPS/combo was inhumane).. the dude was streaming Blade n Soul PvP for 10-14 hours long and never missing a single beat; a single combo.

    He exposed himself for using BnS buddy (the constellation of the moment) not long after.


    btw.. when u say "we".. I'm using I. I know what u mean cuz I am part of this elite.. the only difference between us is I ain't delusional.
    Believe what you want.

    Who is the multiboxer?
  • usernameusername Posts: 1,068
    edited April 16
    King said:

     playing the game

    Having the constellation client and running dozens of scripts is not you playing the game. Nor is it 'skill' when you manage to kill people using said scripts as crutches to do so. NEVER get the two conflated.

    King said:

    let people enjoy the game?


    Just as I refuse to play any other game with cheaters, I have no interest in trying to 'enjoy' playing the game with people that are using blatant cheats. What your saying is exactly the equivalent of telling to sit in a game, such as Counter Strike, where people are blatantly cheating and to just 'enjoy the game'. Just enjoy the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

    I challenge anyone in this thread to stream yourself PVPing and show all your other open windows/scripts/clients you're running and then we'll have a conversation. Shocker when no one will take me up on this.

    The delusion and cope in this thread is generationally hilarious.
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  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,738
    This the second video with shall we say evidence yet here is cookie still posting and not at all banned the developers keep saying over and over it's ok to use third party clients with their inaction 
  • usernameusername Posts: 1,068
    @King please check out the video that I posted and tell me if you think the people on the opposite team as that player are having fun. 
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  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,007
    edited April 16
    Good call,
    I already shared myself PvPing against a train of bots, a couple times now.. this is your turn.. show us some elite footage like the one where I solo'd 3 skelly drake like a baws.  :D
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to play/automate the game.

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  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,931
    edited April 16
    Grimbeard said:
    This the second video with shall we say evidence yet here is cookie still posting and not at all banned the developers keep saying over and over it's ok to use third party clients with their inaction 
    Evidence of what sorry?

    The video was completely in Enhanced Client - that is how Enhanced Client people see, and experience the game.

    You guys are seeing things that do not exist.

    From that entire video, please show me the evidence?

    The naked running people has been confirmed as an EC bug/glitch.
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,738
    Cookie said:
    Grimbeard said:
    This the second video with shall we say evidence yet here is cookie still posting and not at all banned the developers keep saying over and over it's ok to use third party clients with their inaction 
    Evidence of what sorry?

    The video was completely in Enhanced Client - that is how Enhanced Client people see, and experience the game.

    You guys are seeing things that do not exist.

    From that entire video, please show me the evidence?

    The naked running people has been confirmed as an EC bug/glitch.
    Understand I support you 100% but their inaction against you is them admitting defeat 
  • KingKing Posts: 153
    username said:
    @ King please check out the video that I posted and tell me if you think the people on the opposite team as that player are having fun. 

    Let me break this down for you in bite-sized pieces:

    1) You don’t even PvP.
    That’s like reviewing a restaurant you’ve never eaten at — just stop. No one’s buying it.

    2) You don’t play on Europa.
    So literally none of this affects you. Not your shard, not your fight, not your problem. Yet somehow, you're always here with a megaphone, acting like the PvP police chief.

    3) And the best part? You’ve got spies in every Discord and still missed the part where BOTH sides had a blast. Yeah, shocking, I know — people actually had fun playing the game.
    Crazy concept, right?

    You don’t see a single person from any of the guilds involved complaining. Know why? Because they were too busy fighting for hours and loving every second of it. It’s almost like… that’s what the game is for? Mind-blowing.

    But here you are — mad not because someone broke the rules, but because other people dared to enjoy themselves without your expert supervision. And you’re so sure you “know” what everyone’s running or using? Spoiler: you don’t. If you actually PvP’d, you’d know that people from all sides are running all kinds of clients and setups — and more importantly, they're all having fun.

    Still not convinced? The stream is up. Go watch it. Massive battles. Hours of nonstop fighting. Real players. Real fun.
    But hey, don’t let facts ruin a good rant



  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,931
    Grimbeard said:
    Understand I support you 100% but their inaction against you is them admitting defeat 

    I've said before, I would like to think they can see both sides of the issue.

    You want to take the game backwards, and ban people, I want to take the game forwards.

    The Devs can choose. They are having to walk a tightrope.
  • usernameusername Posts: 1,068
    edited April 16
    King said:
    username said:
    @ King please check out the video that I posted and tell me if you think the people on the opposite team as that player are having fun. 

    ... the part where they completely dodged the question ...

    So you're not going to answer the question? Classic. Sit and stay down. You're as bad at logic as you are at PVP.

    And no, there is no stream of you or your screen... I won't hold my breath waiting for that stream  :D
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  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 1,007
    edited April 16
    Cookie said:
    The video was completely in Enhanced Client - that is how Enhanced Client people see, and experience the game.
    You have more video from her recorded under CUO.. if that's your issue?

    PS: they not talking about the naked elf running at mounted speed on foot.. the EC bug.
    They speaking of you using what shall not be named.  :|

    Cookie said:
    please show me the evidence?
    You do it yourself.. bra..
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?

    Leave attended paying accounts alone, these people go thru a lot of trouble to play/automate the game.

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  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,738
    Cookie said:
    Grimbeard said:
    Understand I support you 100% but their inaction against you is them admitting defeat 

    I've said before, I would like to think they can see both sides of the issue.

    You want to take the game backwards, and ban people, I want to take the game forwards.

    The Devs can choose. They are having to walk a tightrope.
    I don't care at all and want no one banned. I do want the developers to be accountable and by doing nothing they are sending a clear message 
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