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NuSair · April 7

There are always the same unattended scripters in Fan Dancer Dojo on Atlantic. They are reported on daily. Sometimes removed, sometimes not. Occasionally showing back up hours later.

So, as a player, if I want to farm the fan dancers, I have to compete with the scripters? I have to go somewhere else because they were there first? I might as well give up and start scripting myself?

The whole seeming attitude towards scripting is disgusting.

Felipovisk · April 7

Fan dancer dojo is the smallest of the problems. Pay attention when there is events. The last 2 events were disgusting. Before i quit, it was around the demonic forces event, was the last one i played, and it was good. Then came the ice one and the fire dungeon one, those i didnt play and stopped playing. I came back last year, and when i starting doing the city invasion event, it was flooded with bots and ppl running 20+ accounts framing it. The ideal should be ban everyone that uses scripts, but that would be 80% + of the paid player base, and a lot of them have 5+ paid accounts.

Lokea · April 7

Can you block the bots with barrels or chests or something? A human player would have no problem with that but we used to throw up obstacles when we suspected such accounts and when it was clear there wasn’t a human around we’d page the GMs.

I’m sure the scripts/bots are much better these days, but it used to be simple to demonstrate to a GM that they were unattended,

Grimbeard · April 7

Lokea said:

Can you block the bots with barrels or chests or something? A human player would have no problem with that but we used to throw up obstacles when we suspected such accounts and when it was clear there wasn’t a human around we’d page the GMs.

I’m sure the scripts/bots are much better these days, but it used to be simple to demonstrate to a GM that they were unattended,

Block them you in get banned

NuSair · April 7

Grimbeard said:

Lokea said:

Can you block the bots with barrels or chests or something? A human player would have no problem with that but we used to throw up obstacles when we suspected such accounts and when it was clear there wasn’t a human around we’d page the GMs.

I’m sure the scripts/bots are much better these days, but it used to be simple to demonstrate to a GM that they were unattended,

Block them you in get banned

Got to love it, makes so much sense- block in a scripter breaking the ToS and YOU are the one that gets banned.

NuSair · April 7

Lokea said:

Can you block the bots with barrels or chests or something? A human player would have no problem with that but we used to throw up obstacles when we suspected such accounts and when it was clear there wasn’t a human around we’d page the GMs.

I’m sure the scripts/bots are much better these days, but it used to be simple to demonstrate to a GM that they were unattended,

I paged a GM asking if I box them in would I get banned. I doubt I'll get an answer, but, we'll see.

NuSair · April 7

Felipovisk said:

Fan dancer dojo is the smallest of the problems. Pay attention when there is events. The last 2 events were disgusting. Before i quit, it was around the demonic forces event, was the last one i played, and it was good. Then came the ice one and the fire dungeon one, those i didnt play and stopped playing. I came back last year, and when i starting doing the city invasion event, it was flooded with bots and ppl running 20+ accounts framing it. The ideal should be ban everyone that uses scripts, but that would be 80% + of the paid player base, and a lot of them have 5+ paid accounts.

I highly doubt that 80% of the player base is running scripts. And I would be surprised if they had that many paid accounts. With Endless Journey there isn't a need (and no, the one IP address thing isn't an issue).

I came back in the middle of the Demonic Forces event. I agree, it was rather disturbing to see the number of scripters running around- made it harder as a non-cheating player to get event drops.

Lokea · April 7

NuSair said:

Grimbeard said:
Block them you in get banned

Got to love it, makes so much sense- block in a scripter breaking the ToS and YOU are the one that gets banned.

Grimbeard, NuSair, I didn't say box them in - if somebody was scripting/macroing, it was easy to throw up a few things in their path and at least back in the day, the scripts weren't smart enough to go around and/or they would act weird and just walk around in a pattern trying to do whatever. We used it to show GMs that they were unattended, and the GMs never said anything to us other than thanks.

We never even had to send in videos we took, because the GMs could see for themselves what they were doing.

Now deliberately bringing a mob onto a scripter/macroer could get you talked to.

NuSair · April 7

Lokea said:

NuSair said:

Grimbeard said:
Block them you in get banned

Got to love it, makes so much sense- block in a scripter breaking the ToS and YOU are the one that gets banned.

Grimbeard, NuSair, I didn't say box them in - if somebody was scripting/macroing, it was easy to throw up a few things in their path and at least back in the day, the scripts weren't smart enough to go around and/or they would act weird and just walk around in a pattern trying to do whatever. We used it to show GMs that they were unattended, and the GMs never said anything to us other than thanks.

We never even had to send in videos we took, because the GMs could see for themselves what they were doing.

Now deliberately bringing a mob onto a scripter/macroer could get you talked to.

The GMs never responded to my inquiry. Now, I just have to decide if I want to risk it.

Lokea · April 7

NuSair said:
I highly doubt that 80% of the player base is running scripts. And I would be surprised if they had that many paid accounts. With Endless Journey there isn't a need (and no, the one IP address thing isn't an issue).

I came back in the middle of the Demonic Forces event. I agree, it was rather disturbing to see the number of scripters running around- made it harder as a non-cheating player to get event drops.

I would agree - most are not scripting/botting, because they don't need to, or they don't want to risk it - many of the longtime players have far too much to lose.

Lokea · April 7

NuSair said:
The GMs never responded to my inquiry. Now, I just have to decide if I want to risk it.

Yeah, not sure what to say. We've seen some people clearly scripting, but we are able to go elsewhere for the time being. Years back when my shard was crowded, that was a different story. The Mining Guild of Minoc did not appreciate people scripting all the verite and valorite. It brought dishonor upon miners everywhere.

Nowadays when I see people scripting resources or things like the dojo, I assume they are doing it for stuff to transfer to Atlantic. Once you get the vet reward transfer token, I could see where it would be very lucrative to buy or farm stuff on other shards and then transfer to Atlantic.

Community Manager · April 8

Blocking a player is actionable. I wouldn't recommend it. That being said, GMs will investigate the calls they receive, but they aren't going to relay what or if an action was taken on another player.

Lokea · April 8

Community Manager said:

Blocking a player is actionable. I wouldn't recommend it. That being said, GMs will investigate the calls they receive, but they aren't going to relay what or if an action was taken on another player.

Yeah, the GMs never told us what actions they took, although we usually saw that those characters were no longer doing their automated routes, and we could reasonably guess that either they got booted or they got a warning and were careful after that.

Ultimately the only way to really deal with these people is to get at root cause of why they are scripting/botting on the scale that they are, and that probably comes down to real-life money, and that's been a problem since I started back in 1998. I can remember when $10 would get you a million gold, and now it gets you 100 million gold.

Can I ask how these people are allowed to advertise their websites on the in-game general chat?

KroDuK · April 8

Community Manager said:

Blocking a player is actionable. I wouldn't recommend it. That being said, GMs will investigate the calls they receive, but they aren't going to relay what or if an action was taken on another player.

Please.. i've proven no action gonna be taken if they use third party in PvP.. if they bots during an event or even multibox fan dancer dojo with 10+ characters; for PvP weapon 24/7 more than a week.

We even have a picture of you hanging out with someone using what shall not be named on this very forum.. this guy's clearly scripting using a cheat engine.. u've seen it with your own eyes and yet..

The relay he's talking about is the fact the bots won't be there the next day he shows up.. here if they missing.. it just mean they scripting somewhere else.

Lokea said:

Yeah, the GMs never told us what actions they took, although we usually saw that those characters were no longer doing their automated routes, and we could reasonably guess that either they got booted or they got a warning and were careful after that.

This time is over since a while..

Lokea said:
Ultimately the only way to really deal with these people is to get at root cause of why they are scripting/botting on the scale that they are, and that probably comes down to real-life money, and that's been a problem since I started back in 1998. I can remember when $10 would get you a million gold, and now it gets you 100 million gold.

Can I ask how these people are allowed to advertise their websites on the in-game general chat?

Really thought you knew better

So you knew Cotten by name only.. not aware of his work.
99% of non affiliates RMT'ers are long gone.

Community Manager · April 8

KroDuK said:

Community Manager said:

Blocking a player is actionable. I wouldn't recommend it. That being said, GMs will investigate the calls they receive, but they aren't going to relay what or if an action was taken on another player.

We even have a picture of you hanging out with someone using what shall not be named on this very forum.. this guy's clearly scripting using a cheat engine.. u've seen it with your own eyes and yet..

The relay he's talking about is the fact the bots won't be there the next day he shows up.. here if they missing.. it just mean they scripting somewhere else.

When I am streaming, I am unable to see who or what a player is using. I have to assume that they are using a legitimate and approved client. Beyond that, I am not CS, I relay the findings and information I have/find. I do not even know what occurs with said players.

Lokea said:

Community Manager said:

Blocking a player is actionable. I wouldn't recommend it. That being said, GMs will investigate the calls they receive, but they aren't going to relay what or if an action was taken on another player.

Yeah, the GMs never told us what actions they took, although we usually saw that those characters were no longer doing their automated routes, and we could reasonably guess that either they got booted or they got a warning and were careful after that.

Ultimately the only way to really deal with these people is to get at root cause of why they are scripting/botting on the scale that they are, and that probably comes down to real-life money, and that's been a problem since I started back in 1998. I can remember when $10 would get you a million gold, and now it gets you 100 million gold.

Can I ask how these people are allowed to advertise their websites on the in-game general chat?

I can say that they are not "allowed" to advertise. Again, GMs do investigate and take action if they are violating the TOS.

Grimbeard · April 8

The RMT people can only Spam in help channel and the ej accounts are quickly banned

Lokea · April 9

KroDuK said:

Really thought you knew better
So you knew Cotten by name only.. not aware of his work.
99% of non affiliates RMT'ers are long gone.

I'm the one who posted the article that Draconi/Cotten wrote about his group burning down the houses in UO, but if you read it, he also cautioned that it's easy to burn down the scammers houses, but you can't take it too far or else you harm the people they've scammed (and lumped them in with the scammers).

username · April 9

I applause your effort on this but until the "constellation" client is dealt with this will never go away. They auto log in when server comes up and start to script immediately. They have auto reply to GM made possible through scripts that interact with Discord and/or AI, thus rendering the support team useless.

If you want to farm the fan dancers dojo I recommend just doing it on a free shard where they actually take action against these kinds of players. Doesn't seem like anything will ever get done here regarding this cheat client (which is the main issue) @Kyronix please note legitimate players are still complaining and you continue to lose players due to inaction on the client. DO SOMETHING MAYBE?

KroDuK · April 9

Community Manager said:
When I am streaming, I am unable to see who or what a player is using. I have to assume that they are using a legitimate and approved client. Beyond that, I am not CS, I relay the findings and information I have/find. I do not even know what occurs with said players.

Yeah, I got one of those also.. I name him Blindman, he's a legendary crafter.

Community Manager said:

I can say that they are not "allowed" to advertise. Again, GMs do investigate and take action if they are violating the TOS.

Even when I would kill some of their bots and they would realise 5+min later by dropping racist comment on main chat, y'all did nothing. The TOS is there to be pretty.

@lokea I was first to drop a video resuming the article you linked.. being first to relay the news changes nothing.. They CLEARLY can knows within a second or two if the guy is a seller or a buyer.. with the tool they got.. it would not have been good for the game to ban the buyers... the non affiliates RMT'ers were cleared at 99% by Mesanna over a decade ago.

It's like when they adding follow option only on CC to cover for that third client.. adding to confusion to protect them cheaters subbing a lot of accounts.. they just got rid of the free loader not the cheaters.. or it would have been added to the EC not the CC if that was something the dev team really wanted in their game.

Mariah · April 9

erm, follow in CC has been in game as long as I have played, and I assure you that was waaaaay before there was an illicit client, before there was ANY other client.

You conspiracy theories are based on your assumptions, not actual fact. Please cease posting them.

KroDuK · April 9

Just to show you; under Origin and EA it was not an issue. (nor a key feature for malicious player; a perfect BS cover up)

This is the irony we getting serve under BS.. from non-existant to VERY conveniant...

When u say them? Do you mean when i'm talking about the fact Mesanna got rid of 99% of non affiliates RMT'er more than a decade ago?

Cuz to return on topic.. I maintain.. if the CC follow was not a cover up for the constellation, it would already be on the EC. (tell me i'm wrong) I dare you

PS: the CM said she's not aware if he's cheating or not.. (the blind joke if she can't see them frame skipping while playing like anyone else legit on the CC)

Image: https://forum.uo.com/uploads/editor/dz/qv8sqa37x5pl.png

So when you speak about consipiracies.. tell me I was wrong when I said BS did extra work for the wrong reasons and don't intentionally lie; calling me out for conspiracies.. cuz I can bring you all the proof you need.. just ask.

Both the CM and the Mod are openly lying or playing dumb.. this is also very wrong.

Edit: if it's the racist comment that was never ban u call the other conspiracie.. you were front line, sooo... enlight me.

To enlight you.. the tool they got, since 15+ years vs RMT'er and dupers.. is like crypto money.. they can flag anything to have a unique ID.. like your fingers print on anything you touch.. like a crypto coin (exactly the same tech, dev by the same guy).. u can follow undefinitly from wallet to wallet (account to account).. pretty easy to know who's selling and who's buying.. it take seconds.

Community Manager · April 10

KroDuK said:

PS: the CM said she's not aware if he's cheating or not.. (the blind joke if she can't see them frame skipping while playing like anyone else legit on the CC)

Both the CM and the Mod are openly lying or playing dumb.. this is also very wrong.

First and foremost, I am not "playing dumb" or "openly lying", so I would kindly ask you to refrain from such comments and theories.

To clarify, when I am streaming I am not looking at one individual the entire time. I am watching the stream settings, various characters, chat, etc.. I will say again, I am not CS, so if you believe someone to be cheating, please page a GM. They are able to focus on an individual if they are called upon.

Cookie · April 10

KroDuK said:

PS: the CM said she's not aware if he's cheating or not.. (the blind joke if she can't see them frame skipping while playing like anyone else legit on the CC)

No-one is frame skipping, this is outdated terminology from 15 years ago, no-one frame skips anymore, you need to stop going on about this rubbish. Technology has improved, to render all of this obsolete.

If I was frame skipping, I would be quite annoyed, as it would be interfering with the flow of my playstyle and casting.

Skett · April 10

way back it was called speed hack now its just normal game play for 75% of the players

KroDuK · April 10

At least Cookie has it's use for once.. refer to his quote, thx.. it was consider as a personal attack on the CM.. exposing her for playing dumb and asking what her community manager job was exactly.

RIP.. I should have not mention to the moderation about the quote.. it's on me..

Cookie · April 10

KroDuK said:

At least Cookie has it's used for once.. refer to his quote, thx.. it was consider as a personal attack on the CM.. exposing her for playing dumb and asking what her community manager job was exactly.

Why do you feel the need to do that?

KroDuK · April 10

Less of you, more of me.. equal a better and more popular UO.. not the opposite; what BS is striving for

Cookie · April 10

KroDuK said:

Less of you, more of me.. equal a better and more popular UO.. not the opposite; what BS is striving for

Are you an Incel, I'm not sure we need more of you ?

KroDuK · April 10

Cookie · April 10

Image: https://forum.uo.com/uploads/editor/jp/a4s7f4qpihgc.png

My post also got removed, but I still think this painting is a work of art, let us admire.

RonFellows · April 11

"frame skipping"

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