Christmas Early, thank you Devs! HUGE

username · December 15

Army said:

Do you the posters here actually believe banning O stopped bots or scripts?

Nope. I'd say it stopped 95% of the blatant 27/4 ones though.

Did it stop a scripting IDE for a client that gave HUGE advantages, things that the standard client can't do? Did it stop people from running scripts that came from a client that was all gas no breaks and was lagging UO servers due to poor optimization? YEP

It's funny because you could always tell these people were using these clients at events. Spamming consecrate arms 1000 times in 1 second when dead. Entire journal filled in .1 second. No official client allows spells to be cast that fast. The official clients, although dated, actually were optimized in this manner and have built in limitations on this. When you have 100's of bots using these garbage clients on Atlantic, spamming 'target next' "attack target' 'move to target' (or whatever) 1000's of times every second, yea if I was a game developer I'd block your poorly optimized POS client too. You're essentially mini ddosing the server flooding it with literal trash.

#worth

Lord_Nythrax · December 15

Army said:

Lord_Nythrax said:

Army said:

The people thinking that banning the only client people used because it’s cheating solved anything are just dense. All it did was make those people quit, not because it banned cheating. I assure you..there is still cheating. They gave no alternative to a 144fps client except a web version that the kinks aren’t worked out of yet. UO community lost..UO devs lost..subs.

Truly everyone will regret not letting you bot. You sure showed us. Great post.

Says the genius..bottling wasn’t fixed. Good post! Uninformed or naive..which is it?

Oh there's never been a game on the market that ever managed to stamp out 100% of cheating, but I'm afraid you're still going to have to take this big fat L and cope with it. Your precious client is gone, their website is gone, their Discord is nuked, they're goddamn history. Cry about it more, it's really funny.

@Kyronix man I love throwing my poopy diapers at you over all kinds of things, but even I have to say I'm impressed. I never thought we'd see these guys brought to their knees and humiliated like this.

I wonder if there was some kind of legal threat to go with this. Yanking the site down and purging the Discord without even an attempt at "don't worry this will be fine" was kind of extreme.

Petra_Fyde · December 15

k, we're all enjoying a nicer playing environment, and I've seen claims that the developer of the program that shall not be named is not interested in 'fixing' the problem. Possibly because it still works just fine on the shards he designed it for. But. With so many threatening to quit, we need to replace them. Many have posted about friends who quit because of the cheating. Now is the time to reach out to those players with the good news and invite them to return.

ChumboWumbo · December 15

Army said:

Do you the posters here actually believe banning O stopped bots or scripts?

There's like 40 (bit of an overstatement, but not entirely inaccurate) different clients or programs you can use to script/bot OSI. With the size of the dev team, its far more important first and foremost to take out the one doing the most harm. "The Forbidden One" was for script kiddies and the fact it had an AI Script Generator is proof of this. 99.9% of the people using TFO can't write code themselves, nor understand a singular line of it. You are not entitled to cheat, especially when you're not the one putting in the time or effort to learn and develop these things.

You are a script kiddie, you cannot cheat unless someone else does all the work of getting it running for you. No skills, no talent, a leech. Your temper tantrums only prove this.

In fact you should be GREATFUL the devs didn't just blanket ban all you botters and your accounts. They're giving you all an opportunity to stop being obnoxious clowns ruining the game for everyone else, and you would rather piss and moan like an entitled child.

username · December 15

Look ma! I'm popular.

These people in the Discord are actually mentally insane. A few are asking every few hours if it's working or not (they're serious). Some are even suggesting taking up coding specifically to learn how to get their cheat crutches programs working. My dude, you aren't going to do it, give up and get help now. You are that desperate to get 170hz, that surely must be it! As explained so eloquently by this user:

ChumboWumbo said:
You are a script kiddie, you cannot cheat unless someone else does all the work of getting it running for you. No skills, no talent, a leech.

The 'leech' part is so relevant and funny because a day or two ago they were all asking about who's actually donated to the developer and, surprise surprise, *crickets* Some of these baboons are RMTing the crap out of the gaming using this tool and they've never given a penny to the person that enabled it? Yeah, if I was the developer, I would be in absolutely no hurry to get something working for these ungrateful leeches people.

Pawain · December 15

So, is their discord channel shut down or turned to private? I don't know a lot about discord.

Who is the person who made the channel and why do you think they turned it off?

The devs must have either done something different than in the past or like you said, not many others know how to make it work again.

Another question. Is this going to change house placement? Are those players also using this program?

Grimbeard · December 15

Pawain said:

So, is their discord channel shut down or turned to private? I don't know a lot about discord.

Who is the person who made the channel and why do you think they turned it off?

The devs must have either done something different than in the past or like you said, not many others know how to make it work again.

Another question. Is this going to change house placement? Are those players also using this program?

I strongly suspect that the monopoly on housing should change

ChumboWumbo · December 15

Grimbeard said:

Pawain said:

So, is their discord channel shut down or turned to private? I don't know a lot about discord.

Who is the person who made the channel and why do you think they turned it off?

The devs must have either done something different than in the past or like you said, not many others know how to make it work again.

Another question. Is this going to change house placement? Are those players also using this program?

I strongly suspect that the monopoly on housing should change

Man, do I hope so. So tired of seeing these empty castles EVERYWHERE that are very obviously being squatted on. They are absolutely everywhere on Chessy, and its driving me nuts. Can't even find a means to contact them to buy them even if you're willing to pay the obscene prices they're probably asking for.

Grimbeard · December 15

ChumboWumbo said:

Grimbeard said:

Pawain said:

So, is their discord channel shut down or turned to private? I don't know a lot about discord.

Who is the person who made the channel and why do you think they turned it off?

The devs must have either done something different than in the past or like you said, not many others know how to make it work again.

Another question. Is this going to change house placement? Are those players also using this program?

I strongly suspect that the monopoly on housing should change

Man, do I hope so. So tired of seeing these empty castles EVERYWHERE that are very obviously being squatted on. They are absolutely everywhere on Chessy, and its driving me nuts. Can't even find a means to contact them to buy them even if you're willing to pay the obscene prices they're probably asking for.

The houses on every shard but Atlantic belong to players maybe second or third account but players only on Atlantic where there is RMT is there script placing

Skett · December 15

they script place castles on more shards than atl

ChumboWumbo · December 15

Grimbeard said:

ChumboWumbo said:

Grimbeard said:

Pawain said:

So, is their discord channel shut down or turned to private? I don't know a lot about discord.

Who is the person who made the channel and why do you think they turned it off?

The devs must have either done something different than in the past or like you said, not many others know how to make it work again.

Another question. Is this going to change house placement? Are those players also using this program?

I strongly suspect that the monopoly on housing should change

Man, do I hope so. So tired of seeing these empty castles EVERYWHERE that are very obviously being squatted on. They are absolutely everywhere on Chessy, and its driving me nuts. Can't even find a means to contact them to buy them even if you're willing to pay the obscene prices they're probably asking for.

The houses on every shard but Atlantic belong to players maybe second or third account but players only on Atlantic where there is RMT is there script placing

I've been to enough idocs to know it isn't just Atlantic. You don't even get a moment of opportunity the second everything cleared.

KroDuK · December 15

Petra_Fyde said:

Many have posted about friends who quit because of the cheating. Now is the time to reach out to those players with the good news and invite them to return.

After posting this, I'll log for the first time in the past ~2weeks.. we'll see how it feel in game and for how long. If in ~3months we still have a faily sane and clean PvP environment.. i'm gonna invite them cuz things gonna change..

Meanwhile BS could have done some sexy PR move to make the MMOrpg scene talk about UO.. like stripping naked a cheater to redistribute his riches.. something that send a strong message to these people.. cuz here it's me talking with 2 old school players I met on Lake Superior back then:

Image: https://forum.uo.com/uploads/editor/ex/tk3l4ul2b4wd.png

Image: https://forum.uo.com/uploads/editor/qu/ho1b1xu97pmk.png

PS: they both quit cuz of the management.. Gwar consider the game as a P2W.. cuz he had turn to the dark side (wich explain why he played till ~2017)
But he felt that 3 accounts/bots was still not enough to compete in PvP under BS management.

And hatingU is your typical trammel user.. was just playing with friends and supporting/healing them. not using cheat engine.

In both case they were gross out and quit. Hating trying to convince me to join an illegal server and Gwar would be happy to stop playing league of trolls to comeback if the playing field was level up.

I also have a small bro and a cousin that would comeback, if the game was not cheater friendly..
Personally i'll wait ~3months to invite them but meanwhile BS could do a solid PR move.. starting with people like cookie.. admitting to automate "only" his trap box on official forum.

Even better, we could start streaming PvP and PvE on twitch.. this could be a HUGE promotion for the game.

Rhel · December 15

ChumboWumbo said:

Grimbeard said:

Pawain said:

So, is their discord channel shut down or turned to private? I don't know a lot about discord.

Who is the person who made the channel and why do you think they turned it off?

The devs must have either done something different than in the past or like you said, not many others know how to make it work again.

Another question. Is this going to change house placement? Are those players also using this program?

I strongly suspect that the monopoly on housing should change

Man, do I hope so. So tired of seeing these empty castles EVERYWHERE that are very obviously being squatted on. They are absolutely everywhere on Chessy, and its driving me nuts. Can't even find a means to contact them to buy them even if you're willing to pay the obscene prices they're probably asking for.

I feel this too. As a returning player, I feel like getting storage space to stash all the stuff I collect is critical to the longevity of my subscription. I really wish BS would create housing "instances" where people could just "buy" an instance for a sized house they want, and the do whatever. If you want vendors, just make the maps you get from VS recall you to the "instance." I don't really care if people see my house, I just want to have a keep/castle to make my own and get the storage.

KroDuK · December 15

The instance stuff on UO, i'd buy it if it's orientated community.. like a rabbit hole to acces your instance in wich u can have 3-20 houses (decent size zone) or a floating island on malas type of stuff.. a mix of Shroud of the Avatar community village with albion black zone and city guild/housing instance.

IF u do storage to do storage just use the cash shop for instancied housing à la tESO.. but this ain't housing imo.. kinda like New World.. this is just playing house interior decorator (kinda like their new castle/keep system.. but at least those were built originally by a member of the community.. this is sandboxy house decorator interior)

Skett · December 15

They need to open up castle placement in malas on most shards its empty

KroDuK · December 15

Skett said:

They need to open up castle placement in malas on most shards its empty

Could be great.. in ~2007 on Legends this is where most of my friends and I had built our trammel vendor house.. we had our own little valley.

Today i'm not even considering cuz i can own a castle on tram/fel.

But yeah u should look SotA community village.. similar size to that valley.. but players community/guild could legit decorate the valley itself.. if there is no room on the openworld map.. just do instanced rabbit hole à la albion online (static entry point for each unique one own by guild and their friends; it's a good gold sink mechanic to maintain one)
You could make your rabbit hole or malas guild island open to public or private.

I just despice the single instance "house" to each their own.. no one can visit if your not inviting them.. it make a sucky sacky open world.. people live on their island and do their stuff in solo.

PS: the fractured online sandbox village own by a guild is also a very good PvP design that remind me of mortal online.. a design that UO could re-use some aspect for a new malas sanboxy guild housing system.. like that valley could be for sale; the entire valley and the owner pick who can build what and where.

Rhel · December 15

KroDuK said:

Skett said:

They need to open up castle placement in malas on most shards its empty

Could be great.. in ~2007 on Legends this is where most of my friends and I had built our trammel vendor house.. we had our own little valley.

Today i'm not even considering cuz i can own a castle on tram/fel.

But yeah u should look SotA community village.. similar size to that valley.. but players community/guild could legit decorate the valley itself.. if there is no room on the openworld map.. just do instanced rabbit hole à la albion online (static entry point for each unique one own by guild and their friends; it's a good gold sink mechanic to maintain one)
You could make your rabbit hole or malas guild island open to public or private.

I just despice the single instance "house" to each their own.. no one can visit if your not inviting them.. it make a sucky sacky open world.. people live on their island and do their stuff in solo.

PS: the fractured online sandbox village own by a guild is also a very good PvP design that remind me of mortal online.. a design that UO could re-use some aspect for a new malas sanboxy guild housing system.. like that valley could be for sale; the entire valley and the owner pick who can build what and where.

I could invite my friends to my single instanced house. I don't see how that is any different from a guild only inviting/allowing their guild into the instanced guild housing area?

Seems weird that you'd support guilds being insular but are opposed to individuals being insular.

They could also just make a register that you could browse via the town cryer, similar to how FFXIV does their "neighborhoods" only, the town cryer would give you as list of houses sorted by player name.

The idea is to allow players who want a keep/castle to get one, without having to get lucky, and pay someone squatting on a location a ridiculous amount of gold. Of course, if you want a keep/castle that is out in the open world, you can still pay the squatters the money.

If we're talking about gold sinks, the instanced housing should be free and the open world housing should have land taxes based on the size of the house imo. Make the people sitting on empty keeps/castles have to pay an upkeep cost for them. Or implement something similar to the NL housing, where they have to log into each server and do <x> amount of quests each month to "refresh" the lease.

KroDuK · December 15

Rhel said:
I could invite my friends to my single instanced house. I don't see how that is any different from a guild only inviting/allowing their guild into the instanced guild housing area?

Seems weird that you'd support guilds being insular but are opposed to individuals being insular.

Answer is simple, open world and community.

Example on Albion Online.. everyone can own a private island and or a guild island at the bank of every city (very not friendly for MMO)
You have thousands of different instance of the same private island in every city.. we have a long list of friend with their islands (most own multiple of them in every city).. very not friendly. (what's the name of your island again? I got hundred in my list..)

The black zone.. u have little rabbit hole (like a mine) entry point to a guild spot. every hole is unique (instanced guild housing) friendly for MMOrpg.. u can make them public or private. .similar as shroud of the avatar village.. u can go on cash shop buy your own village/city/metropolis.. make it public or private and control who build what where.

The idea for a place like malas, would be to make this valley for example owned by a guild.. u need to pay a fee to keep your valley (gold sink)

You could build other different "village" like one orc style, another in brick etc etc across malas and sell them to guild/players to make those HQ.. private or not.. u load the housing inside only when u enter that village, should help on server.

In your case u only want more storage.. they could clearly sell u more cash stuff option for your problem.. personally I did sub an alt account for storage and made a lot of smith/tail for bods on that account.

But yeah the SotA community village is great for open world ROLEPLAY
While something like Fractured Online is great for community PvP actions.

The rabbit hole on albion in the black zone is the lesser worse model.

While the albion city, tESO and NW housing.. is real bad imo for a openworld sandbox niche community game.

Rhel said:
They could also just make a register that you could browse via the town cryer, similar to how FFXIV does their "neighborhoods" only, the town cryer would give you as list of houses sorted by player name.

aah, it make sense now.. u coming from a PvE theme park model.

Rhel said:

The idea is to allow players who want a keep/castle to get one, without having to get lucky, and pay someone squatting on a location a ridiculous amount of gold. Of course, if you want a keep/castle that is out in the open world, you can still pay the squatters the money.

You still can make that.. example they could add hundreds of entry point example on Malas.. to those instanced zone.. i just don't want them to be unlimited solo castle on the same spot.. find you a couple of people in game if u don't have a guild to buy one of those zone and build something solid together.. u could even decorate the island itself.. pass it in private lock down some items and re-open to public.

Or go big and buy one alone and go private. same result u wanted just better.. just not as cheap and easy.. since we don't want that on a solid sandbox open world MMO.

PS: such system could compete with Pax Dei also. (community housing)

username · December 16

@Kyronix might be the next thing to investigate. Few players are bragging how it's super easy to get around the EJ limitations. VPN/proxy they suggest, so it's a IP limitation, but they suggest even easier methods that may not involve VPN/proxy/IP spoofing/changing.

Pawain · December 16

EJ accounts get account bound drops and rewards in events. Great!

My opinion on EJ.

Let the bank hold more items.

They should get no pack drops. They would instead get a message telling them they would have got a drop if paid. If wanted, save those drops in memory, if the account pays, they get them.

Otherwise I am ignorant to other atrocities committed by EJ accounts to add any more restrictions.

Screwball · December 16

New User, isnt this you in the Orion Discord, handing out the exact scripts you rail about in here?

Oreogl · December 16

username said:

@ Kyronix might be the next thing to investigate. Few players are bragging how it's super easy to get around the EJ limitations. VPN/proxy they suggest, so it's a IP limitation, but they suggest even easier methods that may not involve VPN/proxy/IP spoofing/changing.

I’m guessing if it were easy or worth doing, they’d already be doing it.

ChumboWumbo · December 16

Screwball said:

New User, isnt this you in the Orion Discord, handing out the exact scripts you rail about in here?

I'm assuming you mean "username"? Lmao.
1 post
Joined today
And you're convieniently trying to make one of the most vocal anti-botters look like a hypocrite as your one and only post.

Really activates my almonds.

username · December 16

ChumboWumbo said:
I'm assuming you mean "username"? Lmao.
1 post
Joined today
And you're convieniently trying to make one of the most vocal anti-botters look like a hypocrite as your one and only post.

Pawain · December 16

No, I am new user. I love to show off my programming skillz.

Well that screen shot is pretty lame. Those posts were made before the changes to UO were made.

Put some of my more relevant posts up.

KroDuK · December 16

It's clearly not him he has 2 thumbs up.

Pawain · December 16

username · December 16

I seriously think some of these guys have serious issues...

"My friend 'plays' a 30 year old MMORPG. When I say play, he has been using a 3rd party client to cheat via automation and RMT in the game for a while. The developers of the game have clearly laid out from the beginning that it is against their TOS / ROC to use said 3rd party programs. Recently the developers of the game have decided to disable users from using said programs in the game, resulting in him not being able to play with his cheat clients.

He is thinking about suing the game company, citing 'promissory estoppal'. Does he have a legal case?"

Image: https://forum.uo.com/uploads/editor/k9/x5e2l5be28un.png

Buddy might have a lawsuit on his hands, but not the one he's expecting

I do disagree with part of the last sentence tho.

username · December 16

Image: https://forum.uo.com/uploads/editor/9q/i2du1tbv3q2g.png

My discord username is Damien. Hope this helps @discord mods.

Skett · December 16

I don't believe or trust anything AI says its biased and always will be its built into it

AI doesn't understand that because most programmers are biases and always will be

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