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JackFlashUkJackFlashUk Posts: 1,024
edited December 7 in General Discussions
Now Legends is infected with them

We are beyond debating whether they are or not or whether they are "watching"

The automated program they are using is breaking the rules.

Obviously

My question direct to @Mesanna and @Kyronix

What are you finally doing about them

You MUST be able to detect them??????????

We have seen the ruin events all over the place and the GM's have NO powers to ban them

So please can I ask you to take 5 mins of your time on Monday morning and go to a shard and observe. THIS is how you will catch them

The excuses I hear about lost revenue if they are banned is 100% not acceptable if it is in any way true

action is required, rules are rules

If this is illegal action then as a paying customer I expect some form of action that stops them ,and does NOT affect me

I know you read these messages, so time for ACTION once and for all.  The Bots are abusing the game and there must be a way to stop it

I refuse to accept that there isn't 

HOW ARE THEY GETTING IN??????????

Calvin, remember him @Mesanna ? you were working with him when he had his spreadsheet, so how about getting a new one and banning ALL illegal cheats, I don't care if they are paying, they are cheating

Inactivity is complicity, acceptance and is not acceptable, never has been



My weekend event gameplay on this shard is ruined. So its back to Star Citizen for the weekend

Ban EJ for any aspect of events, and try blocking auto follow for one event

This will either stop it or CERTIFY cheating

There is your evidence, what else will you need?


Lastly, if the bosses are telling you NOT to ban the bot cheats, then I think its right that us legal fools are made aware so WE can make informed decisions about whether we want to support this game anymore

I have 3 paid up accts and I don't feel that I am being treated with any form of respect when cheats are tolerated


Thank you

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  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 700
    Love that post, good job jack!
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • JackFlashUkJackFlashUk Posts: 1,024
    I am just so tired of it

    Lawless
  • HellRiderHellRider Posts: 3
    Hi to all it's Hell Rider from Atlantic, i find how fight with AFK (Scripts) Bots (Sampires), open gate to any Guard Zone Town and they go in it, rules: Gate must be visible for non AFK players (not inside buildings near door), GM give me verbal ticket for gating near door, now need find resolution with AFK archers on event...
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 700
    edited December 7
    HellRider said:
    GM give me verbal ticket for gating near door, now need find resolution with AFK archers on event...
    Go tell to that GM to give a verbal ticket to that bear botting 24/7 gate in the PATH to luna bank for his poo poo vendor.  :/

    PS: we both know the GM gave u that warning cuz it was blocking a door.. even if most people using script to open them auto.. personally the macro is on X

    Those GM are gonna give u a warning if u block the bots with a chest.. but won't do a single thing to the army of bots trapped by that said chest (except unblock them).. this is where we are with BS studio.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • usernameusername Posts: 951
    Same owner of the bots that are on Atlantic. Nice, they're taking their profits and expanding their business. Good for them. Small business owner?
    This discussion has been closed.

    I will be slow to reply because I cannot log in/stay logged in to the forums.
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  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 700
     :D 
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • gaygay Posts: 404
    username said:
    Same owner of the bots that are on Atlantic. Nice, they're taking their profits and expanding their business. Good for them. Small business owner?
    Wait until you find out who owned and operated the "UO Shoppe" that was on the frontpage of uo.com for years.

    Hint: They're an Atlantic player who specializes in realty.
  • usernameusername Posts: 951
    edited December 8
    gay said:
    username said:
    Same owner of the bots that are on Atlantic. Nice, they're taking their profits and expanding their business. Good for them. Small business owner?
    Wait until you find out who owned and operated the "UO Shoppe" that was on the frontpage of uo.com for years.

    Hint: They're an Atlantic player who specializes in realty.
    That's already been common knowledge for years :D sad ain't it?
    This discussion has been closed.

    I will be slow to reply because I cannot log in/stay logged in to the forums.
    Make this your signature if you are tired of Vendor Search being broken, over FIVE YEARS and counting.
    Vendor search rendered useless after Publish 106 – Forsaken Foes on August 14, 2019.
  • WhitewolfWhitewolf Posts: 231
    why do you guys continue to ask the question you already know the answer to? My god talk about beating a dead horse to death, if they are paid accounts no action will be taken. Lets move on to something else.
  • HellRiderHellRider Posts: 3
    edited December 8
    7 bots in Atl for 20 minutes, now live in Haven, now more interesting catch them, then farm drops
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 700
    edited December 8
    I mean bank bot (other than that bear in the path to luna bank) or people botting in their house ain't the problems. You zealous right here o.O

    Personally I felt like an idiot on Fel farming within the bots.. so I call them out and fight their owners.. when they would want peace to bot freely.. i would farm their bots/turning grey grabbing AoE.. I felt like an idiot PLAYING the game.. participating in the invasion event, being immerse.. instead of just monitoring my accounts while scratching my butt.

    PS: even when i'm in my house i'm gonna craft those potion manually.. do as u want in your house.. it doesn't affect me.. but ruining my immersion and stealing my spawn with your bots.. after u failed to chase me from the spawn with your frame skipping cheating friends, while being dropping racist comment when I kill your bots and your protected/sponsor by BS studio.. no thx.

    And again.. what a bad take from WhiteDonkey.. we all know mesanna said last summer step 1 was to ban freeloader bots.. we still waiting on step 2.. for this WAR on third party.
    She's just avoiding us and looking very unprofessional delivering that type of event.. made for bots & racist.
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • HellRiderHellRider Posts: 3
    edited December 8
    HellRider said:
    7 bots in Atl for 20 minutes, now live in Haven, now more interesting catch them, then farm drops
    after from 1 of portals to rooftop, arrive back TWT member, and in few minutes all bots racall from roof... Nice... 
  • Bark_At_The_MoonBark_At_The_Moon Posts: 37
    I don't think anything is illegal in UO anymore. People don't even try to be sneaky about cheating nowadays. It's so in-your-face that it is insulting. I could give examples but why bother, it might just inspire more people to cheat! I'm sooo frustrated I feel like.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzBxzvC6nV0
  • GrimbeardGrimbeard Posts: 2,403
    They aren't really more bots now but they show shard bound is working because they used to be on dead shards but now must operate on Atlantic..
  • keven2002keven2002 Posts: 2,317
    edited December 9
    I think there are more bots now than before, likely because the people that were botting before didn't want to bring attention to themselves. They also were able to just camp one spot (with a single toon) and that didn't really raise too many flags. 

    People gradually became a little more bold and the GMs didn't ever really action anyone as things became more obvious. That cycle then turned into what we have now where people have made it very blatant; running 5-8 accounts all stacked running around spamming AI because it wasn't nipped early on.

    So it might be the case where there are still ballpark same humans running the bots (likely making it their side hustle for $$) but I do think that there are more toons in the game that are clearly botting/scripting. I don't remember ever seeing a stack of 8 accounts running around (like they do now) back during the first ToT style events.

    At this point, I think the only thing that is likely illegal and actionable is if someone doesn't respond to a GM because that falls under unattended macroing, but I feel like that's even hit or miss.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,685
    keven2002 said:
    I think there are more bots now than before, likely because the people that were botting before didn't want to bring attention to themselves. They also were able to just camp one spot (with a single toon) and that didn't really raise too many flags. 

    People gradually became a little more bold and the GMs didn't ever really action anyone as things became more obvious. That cycle then turned into what we have now where people have made it very blatant; running 5-8 accounts all stacked running around spamming AI because it wasn't nipped early on.

    So it might be the case where there are still ballpark same humans running the bots (likely making it their side hustle for $$) but I do think that there are more toons in the game that are clearly botting/scripting. I don't remember ever seeing a stack of 8 accounts running around (like they do now) back during the first ToT style events.

    At this point, I think the only thing that is likely illegal and actionable is if someone doesn't respond to a GM because that falls under unattended macroing, but I feel like that's even hit or miss.
    I think botters, like players, come and go, I know of a major botter who quit the game, but then sold her script to many others, and what we see, is all those script buyers circulating. But again, it is hassle, peoples motivation to continue it wanes, and they leave, or stop.
    I know others who sell their script.
    Yes, I think there are more players botting, just because it is easier. Times move on, the tech becomes easier.

    I actually do not believe GM's should have to be a police force in UO, it is a sandbox, so unless anyone is doing some game-breaking exploit, they should not have to be called in for every garden fence dispute. Players should actually think about the GM's as well.

    My favourite solution would be, would be to allow players to extract forms of revenge themselves, maybe even give players more power. The most obvious example is Felucca, players can kill the bots. Bagballs should not be punishable, this is a strange one, if you have trapped 5 bots with a couple of bagballs, that is perfectly acceptable in my opinion. There is this strange conundrum of which rules get enforced. Maybe allow a Trammel Player to put a mark on a suspected Botter - Mark of the Corrupted or something - and if the suspected Botter has not cleared it in 10 minutes - they die instantly? That would be fun. To stop that from being abused - only allow 1 mark per hour. The bot will clearly learn to identify this, and learn to clear it, make it in a form the botters cannot recognise, just a symbol above their heads or something, no writing.

    The Devs do try, but in many cases, their fixes cause genuine players problems, or the botters adapt a fix in no time at all, so the truth is, the Devs cannot win, there is no point the high level complaining I see so much.

    The Devs cleared all the content in Blackthorns. As a legit player who farmed for a few items there, as it was one of the few decent places for my mage, that hurt me. But then you had hiding tamers, who left their pets down there all day long.
    The Devs hit players at Winterspur, with a 15 minute no damage penalty, which was very clever, but then it hit legitimate players, and people complained, and this is the point, people always complain, if they do something, if they do not do something, it always rubs some people up the wrong way.

    Complain, complain, complain - can we have a new area for Atlantic?
    Ok, here is a new area.
    Whay, solen hives?!?! What the hell?
    And it's always the same people who complained in the first place.

    Now I have nothing wrong with feedback, or Devs being asked to improve things, but this behaviour goes well beyond, it is obsessive, it is aggressive, I think these people are mentally ill, and they should not force that onto the rest of us.



  • Victim_Of_SiegeVictim_Of_Siege Posts: 2,161
    Speaking of Bots. Saw a ghost cam on NL at Ice today. Name was like GHO IV 
    A Goblin, a Gargoyle, and a Drow walk into a bar . . .

    Never be afraid to challenge the status quo

  • keven2002keven2002 Posts: 2,317
    @Cookie - I see where you are coming from and that's interesting that people buy/sell scripts.

    I'm torn on the GM intervention piece. I think mainly because the Dev team says the use of 3rd party clients is illegal but then don't enforce that rule when it's very clearly and obviously being abused. To the contrary (you mentioned this) it's the people that are throwing down bagballs to block scripters that end up getting actioned if they are caught; which I think is a major slap in the face of those who choose not to use 3rd party programs. It's almost like the GMs/Devs think honest players should just exist with the scripters and be okay with it.

    Personally I do not really care about people scripting unless it impacts my gameplay. So if people want to script their BODs for the Artisan fest or to build skills that's fine by me. I really don't even care about people scripting the event IF there is plenty to go around but the unfortunate truth is that most of the time that isn't the case. Perfect example is the 5-6 camping archer/throwers near the fires auto targeting / AI everything that spawns to the point I'm unable to get any kills and my drop rate suffers. This is where I feel the GM's need to police it because it's now directly impacting my experience due to illegal activity on their end.

    You are right though that the Dev team is in a hard spot because the things they do in an attempt to curb scripting; typically impacts (negatively) the players who actually play the game. At the end of the day, I feel like they need to take a stance on 3rd party & scripting and then act accordingly rather than try to create work arounds for scripting because people aren't supposed to do it but they do it anyway because nothing will happen.
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 513
    edited December 9
    Cookie said:
    a bunch of stuff

    "Hey guys, I don't think it's the job of the GMs to police the game. Also I'm personally familiar with what goes on in the botting community for some reason. Here's my convoluted idea on what to do about bots, but really probably nothing would work. Anyway, isn't the real problem people who complain about bots?"

    Yeah gee, real hard to read between the lines here.

    Just normal multi-accounter opinions. Totally legal and attended multi-accounter opinions, I mean. Wouldn't want to give the impression that I'm accusing anyone of anything.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,685
    edited December 9
    Cookie said:
    a bunch of stuff

    Something entitled where I only think about me, and scream until I get what I want.
    As they are unpaid volunteers mostly, I don't really care what your entitled mind thinks.

    And I would be familiar, because I have friends...
    Unlike others, who I do not want to give the impression I'm accusing anyone of anything.
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 513
    Cookie said:
    As they are unpaid volunteers mostly, I don't really care what your entitled mind thinks.

    Right, you aren't pro-botter, you just happen to be an enthusiast of playing several characters simultaneously in legal fashion, who purely by coincidence thinks GMs shouldn't enforce the rules and also that everyone should stop complaining about bots on the forum. This sounds sarcastic, and yet it's a completely accurate summary of the situation. Very cool, no dots to connect here.

    Cookie said:
    And I would be familiar, because I have friends...
    Unlike others, who I do not want to give the impression I'm accusing anyone of anything.

    Sick burn, now let me guess, next you're gonna tell me more about how good your grandkids are at Fortnite.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,685
    edited December 9
    Cookie said:
    As they are unpaid volunteers mostly, I don't really care what your entitled mind thinks.

    Right, you aren't pro-botter, you just happen to be an enthusiast of playing several characters simultaneously in legal fashion, who purely by coincidence thinks GMs shouldn't enforce the rules and also that everyone should stop complaining about bots on the forum. This sounds sarcastic, and yet it's a completely accurate summary of the situation. Very cool, no dots to connect here.

    Cookie said:
    And I would be familiar, because I have friends...
    Unlike others, who I do not want to give the impression I'm accusing anyone of anything.

    Sick burn, now let me guess, next you're gonna tell me more about how good your grandkids are at Fortnite.
    So for the record, I have never botted.
    I also mess around with bots as much as possible, that is my gameplay.
    I do sometimes play my sons accounts, when they are unavailable.
    They do not have time to farm these events, UO is a grinding game, they do not have time, I do.
    When they come on, they just come on to play content, not grind so much.


  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 513
    edited December 9
    Cookie said:
    So for the record, I have never botted.
    I also mess around with bots as much as possible, that is my gameplay.
    I do have 5 accounts that I pay for, and if I want to, I'm going to play them.

    Right, right, you have five accounts. And you like to play them all at once sometimes. And you know botters, and which other botters they got their scripts from. And you think GMs shouldn't be in charge of stopping botters, and also think people on the forum should stop complaining about bots so much.

    That's an accurate summary of what you, a person who definitely does not bot, are saying to us with a straight face right now, correct?
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 700
    Cookie said:
    So for the record, I have never botted.

    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,685
    KroDuK said:
    Cookie said:
    So for the record, I have never botted.

    Doesn't say botting though. :)
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 700
    edited December 9
    you admit u can sub an alt to auto heal you in PvE.. then u pretty much admit to just monitor your bots, not AFK cuz it's more relax than really playing the actual game like anyone legit.. but not on worthless troglodyte  :|

    Who Am I to judge a third party botting cheater? right?
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • Lord_NythraxLord_Nythrax Posts: 513
    You guys, I am definitely not a burglar.

    Yes I'm friends with burglars, whatever, I'm sociable. And yes I have a ski mask and a set of locksmithing tools in my car, but that's just because my face gets cold and I lose my keys a lot. Also I think police shouldn't arrest burglars and everyone should stop complaining about getting burglarized so much. However, I would like to again stress that I myself have never stolen anything.

    Just wanted to clarify.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,685
    Lord_Nythrax said:
    You guys, I am definitely not a burglar.

    Yes I'm friends with burglars, whatever, I'm sociable. And yes I have a ski mask and a set of locksmithing tools in my car, but that's just because my face gets cold and I lose my keys a lot. Also I think police shouldn't arrest burglars and everyone should stop complaining about getting burglarized so much. However, I would like to again stress that I myself have never stolen anything.

    Just wanted to clarify.
    Life is complicated, it is not black and white. :)
  • KroDuKKroDuK Posts: 700
    edited December 9
    He has "sons" to feed.. this is why he's promoting his script selling business on official forum and BS ain't doing "poo poo" about it (in fact; they clearly sponsor his business by doing nothing).. the cops need to be cool with him... he's in the grey!

    C'mon guys who are we to judge him?
    So rather than recognise the effort the botters went to, to set all that up - for the benefit of the players, to help get certain items, something you could never be bothered to do, you would rather drag people backwards to your neanderthal world?
    -UO official forums, brought to you by BoardSword studio
  • CookieCookie Posts: 1,685
    KroDuK said:
    He has "sons" to feed.. this is why he's promoting his script selling business on official forum and BS ain't doing "poo poo" about it (in fact; they clearly sponsor his business by doing nothing).. the cops need to be cool with him... he's in the grey!

    C'mon guys who are we to judge him?
    As fiction, that is very good. :)

    The problem is, you believe that 100%, and will run with it for the rest of your life.
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